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I aquired my 4th rotty with the hopes of having a few litters,  I have the support of 2 very respected breeder and my rott is of excellent quiality and temperment with very low scoring.

But at present with the current media hype there seems to be not a huge but slightly higher about of puppies around,  my breeder freind has a litter due in 3 weeks and my bitches brother was put to stud 3 weeks ago.
Were montoring the market with these 2 litter to see what demand for pups is and keep checking rotts direct and epupz to she how pups are moving.  I still have not decided to which dog i want her putting,  I like all my choices.

Allso my bitch is not 2 till may which means my pups will not be docked does not affect me but will it others? i don't no.  I'm not in it for the money but i don't want to be left with half a dozen pups that i can't sell,
my main reson for having the pups is to keep 1 maybe 2 for my self for show agility resons.

Now should i wait a year or should i take my chances, spent over an hour discussing this last night with my breeder freind,   and well to be truthfull my head is spinning think about the what if's and buts.

Just caurious to find out how your thought, feelings and what you would do?

I don't have a clue about the market etc. but I definitly think you should wait until you're COMPLETELY sure what to do, and if that's in a years time it's no problem because your bitch is still so young.

also i wouldn't do you any harm to wait until the media hype has died down and maybe even wait to see what happens with the dangerous dogs act. It would be horrible to think that you bred some puppies and then rotties were banned (extreme i know - but the way things are going i dont think it's impossible)

Large breeds just dont seem to be selling at the moment, people are having to keep puppies until 12 weeks or older, can you afford to do that? Also with the docking ban coming in a lot of pro dockers (irresponsibly in my opinion) have said they will all try and get a litter in before the ban comes into force so if they do carry out that threat there could be a huge influx of puppies.
Personally I'd wait to see what happens and for everything to settle down. As she's still so young you have time on your side.
Becky

I totally understand what you are saying and know your head must be spinning, i must applaud you for seeking advice and considering this so carefully with things the way they are at the moment.

If it was me i would wait, there is just so many problems at the moment with too many people still breeding, the media hype and all these dogs in the pounds and in rescues, breed rescues there are no vacancies for some of these poor dogs. I hope with all my heart things improve am not holding my breath at the moment.

xx That's all i can say on the matter really, as i do not know the market or much about breeding per se xx

Have you read the issues Rottie welfare and rescue are having in the Show Press?  :shock:

Many puppies, even litters, are being found there as well as adults.

What are the overwhelming reasons for breeding from your particular bitch?

What qualities does she have that cannot be found elsewhere?

What are her hip and elbow scores like?

I would not breed from my dog until and unless I had several bookings prior to mating.  

This is the thing at the moment i think people for those of us who loves dogs and take in dogs and do what we can for them everything is so frutrating at the moment, we know how many dogs are being killed each day we know breed rescues and all these places are full, fosterers have no more time or space it is chaos that's why we i easpecially seem to be getting quite heated in some of my conversations with people in the real world and in my posts as they seem to have no idea what is going on. (Mini Rant and a thread hijack, apologies)

No worries TWS i understand that there are loads of doggys in rescues thats why i'm thinking long and hard about it, and smokeybear has some very valid points.  I'm not going to do do this light harted and i'm going to keep intouch with all that have my dogs they will be microchipped pror to selling and all will have to do the good citizen scheme writen into the contract or the dog is returned to me.  I am also prepared to take back,lookafter and rehome any dog that is not getting on/or situations changing in it's new home.

I could just cry as the breed i love and adore, live for, my big teddy bears with there own central heating system to keep me warm are being slanted left right and centre and it's not fair.

Candi i did not for one moment think you did not understand that's why i commend you for the thoughts and consideration you are putting into this.

I was talking about OTHER people (dont know who they are but i know they exist:))

IMO i would not  bother. Firstly the bitch is too young to mate so id wait until next year and see how things are then. Also undocked rotties are not evreybodies cup of tea. Why not wait until you have some bookings.

No i no you was not having a go at me it's those OTHERS that are causing the problems by just wanting money and having no real intrest in what they are breeding ie teprement, breed standards no kc.

I've been planning this such a long time had all the tests and asking questions (some which my breeder freinds have laught at  :oops:)

Hi lassie i was under the inpression that kc rules were that a bitch must not be mated before it's second birthday,  If and when i do mate her and 1 of the selected few male 4 of the puppies are allready sold but what if she has more,  I'm thinking that it be best to wait,  been trying to get into agility classes with her but round here there all fully booked and have been for adges (we practise in menage over horse jumps she's very good).
Maybe just consentrate on that, but wanted my OH to do it to with me and would rather have a home bred dog.

Actually KC rules are a year, I thinmk it is club rules that specify 2 years. Having said that I personally wouldn't mate a bitch under 2 years and I have a small breed.
I think it is wise to wait and see what happens and I can fully sympathise with you over the agility. I'm on a waiting list too.
Becky

No  kc rules are no pups can be registerd from a bitch that has whelped before her first birthday.


Most big breeds are usually well over 2 before mating.

Sorry Mahooli i didnt see your post dahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I would never mate a bitch till it was over 2, i did put that she would not be 2 till may and that there tails would not be docked meaning that i would not mate till she was over 2.  Sorry if i did not word it correctley.   :oops:

You did nothing wrong I understood that you'd wait til after her second birthday. I just think it would be best to wait until things have settled down and you see the DDA/Tail docking affect. She's young enough that it doesn't matter if you wait another year.
Becky

Candi,

While you are waiting why not try and get your little girl trained and assessed as a PAT dog, you can then do a lot for the breed by showing others just what good dogs they really are. :D 

great idea

Hi emmy that would be a fantastic idea as she is great with people/children and loves all the attention
how would i go about it :?:  :-)

You should find the information you want here http://www.petsastherapy.org/

Good luck and let us know how you get on :D

Hi emmy i had a look at pet therapy looks very good but after reading the critera i think as zilla is still a bit to head strong(she's half german lines),  she gets very excitable when meeting people, i would hate her to injure someone.
But she's only 20months so there's time for her to settle. but thank you :-)

Nothing to stop you from making enquiries and starting to train her for this now, it may help her settled down.  Not all PAT dogs are quite, when hubby was in hospital a Beardie used to come in, some days he would be really good, others he was be a little devil, the patients didn't mind, they thought is was good fun :lol:

she is doing her bronze good citizen at the moment, she has carmed down a lot since she started.

It said on the application not to applie for an application as they cost a pound, if your dog does not fit the criteria.  Will give her till she has done her bronze and into her silver hopefully she will be alot calmer

Good luck with your KC GCTs and PAT assessment.

One of my dogs is a registered PAT dog and it is probably one of the things I am most proud of.  :D

This is what I meant when I said work towards it, the more training you do, the more chance she will have of becoming a PAT dog.

When Bill died, the nursing home asked me to continue brining in my dogs for the patients but at the moment Merlin is the only one suitable but hopefully Tilly will be one day.

Good luck, I am sure you will enjoy it.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.  I will probley cry when she gets her bronze (silly i no) but she has done so well, god knows what i'd do if she became a pat dog.

Thankyou for your help emmy :-)

No it isn't silly, my dogs are all rescue and apart from Tilly, they all came with bagage, at each breakthrough I have had a cry, it is the same with training them, sometimes because of they past they had problems, like Joe and his recall, but when it came, it is a wonderful feeling and it will be the same for you.  As you get each one of them, it is because you have put the work in to train your dog to do them, you are entitled to have a cry. :lol:

hello Candi,
you seem to have sensibly decided to wait & see, but i thought i would add my twopennorth anyway.
i took some students to Battersea yesterday & they are completely over run with rotties of all ages & sizes :(
i think the problem with breeding at the moment w(or soon) with all the media hype, is you will spend more time fending off enquiries from unsuitables who will want a rottie for the wrong reasons. :mad:
keep on with the training, we have just started heelwork to music (yeah i know everyone else laughed too :grin:) & Callum is really enjoying it.

lol claracloggs it's not a laughing matter doing heel work to music i think it's good,  espesially as i can only just get mine to heel she's very eagore to walk at 10mile an hour she don't pull but i think were along way of your achivements.  :roll:

I understand how many rotts there are in rescues but i have been doing a lot of resurch and people that i no breeders, dog owners would not get a rescued rottie A: they would get a pup so they no the history B: so they can raise it properley as rotts can be a handfull C: so that they get use to other pets IE cats, birds, horse from a young adge. 

I'm still going to wait but the dog i have choose when i do has won lots of cc's and is highly thought of in the show ring.

i wish all rottie owners & breeders were as thoughtful as you :grin: there would be less like my little man with his health problems & less in rescue.
we are doing quite well in heelwork to music, but only just started, we both enjoy it & thats all that matters to me :grin:
Callum is also working towrds his gold good citezan award (ok i know im a show off mother :lol:)
good luck in the show ring! & good luck with the breeding when it happens.
will you be at crufts?- as i will definately be going to the rottie ring!

No i'm not going to crufts  :(  I need all new top quality show stuff for my horse this year and because i'm not a millionare yet, i've got to sacrifice one for the other.  The horse is alot better behaved than the dog and alot further along in it's training.  :oops:

Hope you do well with your gold let me no how it goes  :smile:

I think any breeder has to take the chance that they might not be able to sell there pups most breeders dont have there bitch mated unless they have at least 3or 4 good homes waiting .... I think thats a better way of doing things rather than breeding having possibly 8 + pups and selling them to anyone with the money to buy them ... It sounds like youve great back up and am sure they will tell you just wait till your 100% sure you want to do it ... I dont breed but have always wanted too i love having little pups and kittens in and they are hard work but worth it