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sarah1983
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2007, 12:08: PM »

I wanna know what this scent pattern stuff is.  I'm fairly sure I smell like a human and Rupe smells like a dog if that's any help.
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2007, 01:04: PM »

Did this person ever explain what she meant by scent patterns and how they would affect our relationships with our dogs? I mean, this must be something really revolutionary being as none of us have heard about it before.

I guess we have to eat liver and stuff so that we smell like alpha dogs to them. If that's the case, I've totally blown it because I'm not eating liver for anybody, not even to keep my dogs in their places. Oh well... doom and disaster no doubt awaits us.

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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2007, 01:19: PM »

OK, this is what I gathered from her writings...

-Scent plays a large part in wolf pack structure.
-Diet plays a part in the scent a wolf gives off.
-A better diet can produce a scent that will elevate an animal in the pack.

Now assuming that these are all facts (I'm not saying they are), she appears to have stretched this to:

-Domestic dogs and humans form a pack.
-Scent helps determine the order in that pack.
-Your diet and your dog's diet can therefore influence the pack structure.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2007, 01:57: PM »

I wanna know what this scent pattern stuff is.  I'm fairly sure I smell like a human and Rupe smells like a dog if that's any help.

You probably smell like an overpowering chemical factory to a dog, assuming that you use some form of doederant, soap, etc., etc.! I have heard of the idea that scent is important in wolf packs, in that the higher ranking wolves eat the best bits and this has an effect on their scent - I don't know the truth of it, but it sounds reasonable and logical enough as a theory for wild wolves. I'm also quite happy with the theory that, although domestic dogs do not truly form a wild wolf pack with their humans, some of the techniques of the alpha male in imposing dominance over the pack can work in the domestic human/dog setting, as it is the kind of signal of hierarchy that the dog will naturally understand. However, trying to apply this diet/scent thing as part of that hierarchical language in the home is plainly nonsense - as I said, you will smell of too many other things for the dog to be in the least bit concerned about the tiny bit of diet-related scent and what implications it has on your dominance over him! There are far more obvious and useful ways to use dominance related behaviour, body language, etc, to do this - whether you believe you are imposing your dominance or (as seems to be a current fashion) just teaching good manners and maintaining respectful control, the point is you are doing it in a language that they are likely to naturally understand. To confuse modifying natural behaviour to assist in training with becoming a natural part of a true wolf pack is not really going to be helpful!
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2007, 01:13: PM »

OK, this is what I gathered from her writings...

-Scent plays a large part in wolf pack structure.
-Diet plays a part in the scent a wolf gives off.
-A better diet can produce a scent that will elevate an animal in the pack.

Now assuming that these are all facts (I'm not saying they are), she appears to have stretched this to:

-Domestic dogs and humans form a pack.
-Scent helps determine the order in that pack.
-Your diet and your dog's diet can therefore influence the pack structure.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.  Roll Eyes

Hello IJF, what forum and threads are these posts on? I'm dying to read these.
What is the posters username, and is this something she has come up with herself?
Or is this the latest book on dogs are wolves, wolves use food for heirachy, you are Alpha bla bla bla?
If so, what book might this be?
And one wonders if there is a claim of "i've studied/researched wolves", and if so, what that might actually mean? (a'la Jan Fennell)?
Is Shaun Ellis actually being quoted for the purposes of this theory?
If so, i wonder if he was asked?
I'm sure, as a man whom has actually lived 'wild like' with wolves, and replicated himself as a wolf (in as much as it is actually humanly possible to do so), he would say: "no dummy, i said wolves, so i meant wolves"!
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2007, 02:30: PM »

Krusewalker,

It is the rottweiler.co.uk forum and the poster's name is 'Angela'. To give her her due, she gives some sensible advice on some subjects.

She has obviously spent some time studying wolves (wild in Poland and the captive ones that Shaun Ellis was filmed with), but beyond that I do not know what her 'expertise' is. I don't know whether many of her theories are her own, but regardless I disagree with them.

She is apparently writing a book which will include her theories on scent pattern and pack structure.......
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2007, 03:11: PM »

She is apparently writing a book...


Ooooo...Will it be scratch 'n sniff?
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2007, 07:20: PM »

 

thats the biggest load of tosh i've heard in years.

so her theory means 'if we feed 1 dog on BARF and another on a awful dry, then we can determine which dog will be Alpha, regardless of personality or temperment.

i think not!!!

whatever happened to - time training fun and love!
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2007, 08:56: PM »

LOL, that is tooooooooo funny, i'm literally ROFL!

 

I'm sure Indy was thinking tonight, 'hmmm i'm eating chicken wings and mummy is having a cheese sandwich, my god i must be in charge!'

Honestly though, the things some people come up with!

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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2007, 09:19: PM »

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LOL, that is tooooooooo funny, i'm literally ROFL!

hmmm- well callums eating his barf, claras chewing n her royal canin, im  having quorn spag bol?
dont think they care what i smell like , but Clara does move out the way when Callum farts!
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2007, 11:19: PM »

sorry, but i just cant cope anymore with all these stories about dogs eating barf!
eeeeew.
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« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2007, 11:21: PM »

whats wrong with barf?
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2007, 11:25: PM »

Cant be worse than horse poop!
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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2007, 11:34: PM »

whats wrong with barf?

well, it comes out for a reason....it aint meant to go back in 
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2007, 12:07: AM »

barf is bones and raw food or biologically appropriate raw food.

or did you know that and you are just winding us up.
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