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« on: August 26, 2003, 10:32: AM »

Are you a fan of greyhound racing?  Or do you want it banned? Tell us your views, vote, and leave your comments here!
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2003, 01:12: PM »

I have to say Lisa I worry about the underground issue

But personally I hate it Evil or Very Mad

I went to the track once (there is one 5 minutes from me) and the dogs all collided on a corner and one broke his leg,he was screaming and yelping for ages before someone got to him,it made me feel physically sick,and brings a tear to my eye every time I think of it Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2003, 07:46: PM »

Greyhound racing is illegal in Canada except maybe for Quebec so I have never seen it nor is it shown on TV.  We do have lure coursing,  JR races and Dachund races which are televised. But these are races between pet dogs.  No betting allowed and no money prizes.  The winner gets a bag of dogfood or a new coat or other such thing.  The dogs have a great day and seem to enjoy the running, but at the end of the day they go home with their owners to relax on the couch.
The greyhounds may well enjoy the run also and I have no problem with that.  I do have a HUGE problem with the industy itself and what goes on behind closed doors.  IMO it should be banned as is dog fighting.  I don't know if going underground would be a major problem.  I think it would be quite difficult to hide because of the size of track needed, unlike dog fighting which only requires a barn or basement and is easily hidden.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2003, 08:32: PM »

To be honest, I haven't voted. The reason for this is, I have no idea about the subject!

I used to go to a greyhound racing track near where I used to live. It never crossed my mind that this was wrong!

I am probably being very naive, but I am still not sure why it is wrong? From what I saw, the dogs enjoyed running, and chasing (not sure if they thought it was a race as such, or were just chasing). I have met very few greyhound owners (the only ones I have met have been in a dog walking capacity), but the ones I have met were concerned for the welfare of their dogs, and loved them very much.

I am unsure whether you are concerned about the sport, and think it is cruel, or concened about the numbers of dogs that are past their racing life, and "retired"?

Is it cruel? I am not trying to be horrid, I am just asking.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2003, 01:52: AM »

What is cruel is that the ones that get retired usually get retired with a bullet in the head.  The luck few go to greyhound rescue.  i know that in the US alone the ones that are killed either before they even start to race or after they don't make the winners circle is in the 10 of thousands.  The life they lead in the kennels is not the most (to say the least) pleasant either.   If you go into the greyhound rescue site and go to some of the links you will see some very horriffic pictures.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2003, 07:08: AM »

Yes, I quite agree Gypsygirl, I understand there is a hugh problem finding homes for dogs who are no longer racing, and I am sure that many owners merely see their dogs as tools, to be thrown out when they are no longer up for the job. This is obviously disgusting, but sadly happens to a lot of pet dogs too.

I may have misunderstood the original question, as I thought it referred to dogs actually running on the track, rather than abuse behind the scenes. Surely everyone who enters a dog in a race should be made to contribute to some sort of special rescue charity?
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2003, 10:33: AM »

The NGRB do make a contribution to the Retired Greyhound Trust, but unfortunately its too little too late.  With hundreds and thousands of dogs being disposed of every year, there just arent enough homes for them, and to be honest theyre lucky if they make it as far as the RGT. When I was working with ex racers, there was a story in the paper about a dog being found by the motorway hanging from a tree, skinned and with it ears removed so it couldnt be identified by its markings or tattoos. This was just one of many. I personally saw dogs being left without veterinary care, raced with injuries and abandoned by their owners at the trainers kennels. These dogs are seen as a commodity, not cared about like our pets. Once they cant make their owners money any more, they are at best rehomed, and at worst shot or slaughtered in some terrible way. There are a handful of owners/trainers that do a lot of work in rescue, but the sad truth is its not enough. Even with the best of intentions they are supporting an industry which churns out dogs at such a high pace there arent enough people to pick up the pieces.

And thats just this country - you should see the way they treat Galgos in Europe - raced with broken legs or other injuries, left alone to starve to death when theyre done.

I must sing the praises of all the rescues that are doing their best to keep an escalating problem from tipping over - and here is a link to Greyhound Action (read their factsheets on what really happens in greyohund racing).
http://www.greyhoundaction.co.uk/
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2003, 12:51: PM »

Thanks for posting that link Kathy,
It just goes to show how truly horrific this sport,and the consequences of it,are.
Disgusting excuse for a night out Sad
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2003, 02:08: PM »

Hi folks, I'm new around here & this is my first post.

I have to agree with ellieangel.

The underground thing worries me.  They will take their dogs elsewhere - just like they do with dog fighting.   Evil or Very Mad  

I have a Whippet, & the thought of anybody forcing my furbaby onto a dog racing track just fills me ......
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2003, 02:20: PM »

The underground issue is actually not that big a problem.

Dog fighting can take place in a barn, even in someone's front room.

If greyhound racing were banned, to go underground would require a large space for a track to be constructed in secret.  These would obviously be few and far between, if possible at all, since there are very few places one could secretly hold races.  Since they would be few and far between there would not be so many able to race, not so many dogs bred, not so much money in it.

Yes, it will go underground.  But not to anywhere near the extent - thousands of dogs' lives would still be saved.
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2003, 02:35: PM »

Korrok is right, you can't really drive grey racing underground - yes there might be a small scale problem, but nothing compared to what already happens.
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2003, 03:04: PM »

I would LOVE to see it banned Sad
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2003, 03:02: AM »

Evil or Very Mad  I agree, it should be banned - not sure if it will be as some people are hard to educate and as long as people attend the sport then it will no doubt continue - animal lovers eh?
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2003, 07:56: AM »

Yup - I have had a think about this ...............

My initial reply was a bit rash.  Underground Greyhound racing would indeed be very difficult to organise.  How could people possibly build a track in secret?!?!  Even racing on a 'straight' in the park would attract too much attention due to the noise.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2003, 06:23: PM »

Hi everyone!

Had to join after I was browsing and saw this thread!

Was about to ask how can you hide dog racing track when I saw Korrok already has!  Glad you can see what is wrong with that argument now Whippet6!  Its one that is used often within the racing circles.  Have a look at our website for more 'myths dispelled' and common arguments - it really makes you think!

What else I wanted to add was that the problem isn't as much that people don't see greyhounds as pets - although this is an issue, but even if every home who got a dog each year took on a rescue greyhound there still dwouldn't be enough homes for all the greyhounds that need them each year - too many dogs are bred... The only way to stop this is to ban greyhound racing.  Without the demand the supply wouldn't be so large therefore we would not have this problem.

The other thing to remember is that cruelty doesn't just happen when they finish racing... many dogs are drugged to run faster / slower or to block out injury pain.  One of my own was raced six weeks after breaking her hock bone - she should have had at least three months off track.  But she wasn't making money so she had to race...  She broke her leg again after that (and we have heard that her former owner drugs his dogs - Brofen is the fav) and was dumped... There are absolutely loads of other examples of why racing is cruel during their racxing career but I could go on for hours!  I daresay I'll return to this topic sooner rather than later!

I like the thinking on this thread though!
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