I am unsure about annual boosters but as Annie goes to the kennels every day we will have to keep them up unless the rules there change.

Against.
Having watched two of my dogs die due to vaccination reactions (proven)and live with another two who are both Auto Immune through vaccinating (one of which has had several crashes resulting in hospitalisation), there is no way I would even consider vaccinating any of my future dogs.
My views are based on thorough education regarding this matter as I am lucky to have access to some of the latest research going and some excellent medical minds.
Eloise

Hi.

It is still very painful as I am to blame for both deaths and one of my present guys conditions but it is important to pass on the info so it doesn't happen to others.

When a dog has a suspected reaction the vets are meant to fill in a form and send it off to be logged (not many vets tell you this).
If vaccs were safe then why is this form in existance?

Sam took ill a fortnight after his booster, tests upon tests were carried out but nothing was found.  When he died 6 weeks later the pm found that his brain had been slowly dying due to the lack of blood reaching it.
This was said to be caused by an inflammation to the main blood vessels supplying the brain, it was also found in other arteries. His organs were also pm'd and found to contain very high toxins.
The vets concluded that this was due to an infection brought on by a vaccination reaction.

I had Rox boostered as I thought it'll never happen again and he died roughly a month after it.  He too was pm'd which showed major organ failure due to a vaccination reaction.

Baron was vacc'd before he came...just... He got parvo through the vaccination, was hospitalised and never recovered.  We didn't pm him as we knew what had killed him but it was also reported.

Meanwhile, Max who was last boostered in 1995 has always had health problems which turned out to be Auto Immune, he was diagnosed in late 1995....He's hypothyroid, has IBD and has a nerve ending condition called something fistulla (I think) which basically means his nerve endings are very sensitive, he's allergic to almost everything and has Ai crashes which in most dogs can be fatal.  The drugs he's on are just about as bad as the desease.

Asher was already vacc'd when we got her.  She's Epi which until recently was thought to be hereditory but it's believed that most Ai conditions can lie dormant until something triggers them which is what we believe has happened.

True any dog can be predisposed to any of these conditions, you just don't know but due to the timing our vets carried out pm's for both their benefit and ours to discover all these cases are vaccine related.

Believe me when I say that I'm no scaremonger, but one of my mates is a holistic vet (who doesn't support nosodes), I hear of these sort of reactions daily, I can point you towards a support group who has 130 members, all have at least two dogs and all are Ai....this group isn't an anti-vacc group, they're an Ai group.

Also true, most dogs do have vaccs with no problems or if they do, they recover but cannot be vaccinated again.  This is also something vets fail to mention when you go for your booster.

Just two weeks ago I heard of a terrier who had it's jabs, took parvo but after hospitalisation has now recovered, it remains to be seen whether or not the dog goes on to contract any problems but it can't be vaccinated again.

I can understand folks being wary of non-vaccination, for years we had it drummed into us that it's the best thing to do and yes it's a scary thought not vaccinating but they do carry a serious health risk, more vets are noticing it (some are conventional vets), the powers that be are taking notice, insurance companies are taking notice, even soome rescues are reconsidering their policies and with all the research that's coming to light now, it's worth looking into.
Look up addisons/cushings/hypothyroid/ any Ai condition and you'll see vaccinations mentioned.
There is so much information out there supporting these claims it's hard to avoid it but try some of the usa universities, they're way ahead of us that way.

Some more enlightened training classes are also willing to take on non- vaccinated dogs so long as you can get a letter from your vet stating that the dogs has been titre tested having immunity, same goes for boarding kennels.

I too have a dilemma whether or not to vaccinate pups as the mums immunity does wear off after a few weeks so I think I'd follow the guidelines and try to get either individual vaccs from the usa or vaccinate a couple of months apart.

Dogs do die of these diseases yes but they're are more dogs dying or Ai through vaccinating so it's a double edged sword.

I think it was you that commented on the vets lining their own pockets, all I can say to that is a titre test costs roughly £20-£30, dont know what vaccinations are but most of the titre money goes to the labs, vets only charge for taking the blood even at that, word has it that more and more vets are doing titre's in-house so it could be cheaper.
True, the results could say that the dog needs a booster and yes, that would mean you've paid for both a test and vaccs but given the risks involved, I'd rather titre and take it from there.
So far all our results have came back *high immunity, no need to booster*.

Latest studies are showing alot of the terrier pups that have been titre'd have shown either low or nil immunity and yet the larger breeds are showing medium to high levels, these are the traces of immune antibodies passed on from mum.
I agree that pups should have their first vaccs, preferably individual ones with a couple of months apart but after that, I'd be titre testing.
In my previous post I said I would never vaccinate any of my dogs but like you, I'm worried about portecting the pups so I would have to think very seriously before either vaccinating or not vaccinating.

I'll try and find some links for you to check out, these links will either contain that actual results regarding over vacc's or offer an unbiased opinions as it's not worth me finding out and out anti-vacc articles.

Hope this helps, if nothing else, hope it makes others think twice before going for that all important booster.
Eloise

Hi Lisa.
Don't be sorry about asking about my guys, if it makes just one person stop and think then it's worth passing it on
As you can see, over vaccinating is a real bug bear of mine, I can get quite carried away about it
Here's a couple of links as promised.

http://www.dogs4sale.com.au/AAHA_Special_Report.htm

the above is the latest info provided by the American Task Force.
It's all interesting but the more interesting bits are roughly a third way down (I think).

http://members.aol.com/ganglineweb/src/gangline/vac.htm

this one is written by Nick Thompson, a holistic vet who writes for dogs today.

http://www.irishwolfhounds.org/vaccination.htm

think this one's about titre testing.

http://www.gsdsrus.freeserve.co.uk/vaccs.html

this one's straight forward and shows the latest guidelines.

http://www.napoleon.org.uk/alternative.htm

this one's about homeopathic nosodes which for the record, none of our holistic vets agree with.

Hope this helps.
Eloise
ps....Lurchers and Greyhounds aren't known to be predisposed to Ai

Many many years ago when I had Samantha, I took her for her yearly vaccination, and as we had moved house, I also changed my vet.  This new vet said not to bother vaccinating her because she would be immune but if there was an outbreak, bring her straight down.

This same vet is now telling people to vaccinate yearly.

When Tommy was ill last year, there were 2 dogs that had parvo and their owners had been treating them with nosodes, both dogs died.

I won't bother with titre tests because each lab has different standards to what they think the dog is immune, when the get that sorted out and it is proven that they are immune, then I will titre test.

My main reason for vaccinating was because they went into kennels for a weekend every year, I do owe my poor hubby a weekend away a year.  Now these kennels will accept homeopathic nosodes, he says that it is that person who is taking the risks, all the other dogs are vaccinated.

With this in mind, I doubt if mine will be done again, but if I thought that they hadn't been vaccinated before I had them, I would do the first booster.

Joe I have had for 5 years, and before I got him he only had the first injection.  Gracie was already spayed when she was picked up as a stray so I presume that she will have been vaccinated as well, but the rescue vaccinated her.  Merlin also had only the first injection in June, and had to have the full course again because there was too big a gap between them, I doubt if he will be vaccinated again either.

I won't go abroad because of the vaccinations that my dogs would have to have, and I am not going without them.  There are so many places in this country that I haven't seen yet so I still need a lot of holidays to see everything.

Im unsure.  Must admit this is the first time I've read anything about this.  Always assumed dogs needed the vaccs.  



are vaccs from the US safer in some way?

My dogs are one this month and shortly due for their vaccs.  I need them to be vaccinated, as we are moving back to America in about a year and they must have a vaccination record to be allowed into the country (inclucing rabies, which they have never had)  One of the articles posted says to get killed rabies vaccines and not live ones.  I am not certain, but I believe that the USA uses the live vaccines as the standard.  Could it be more harmful to get the killed vaccine in the UK (which I think is the standard if you do get a rabies shot) and then get a live one in the US?


I must say, I will get my dogs done this year due to travel plans, but after that I will do more research into the alternatives.  If nothing else, I will use the 3 year boosters instead of the 1 year, and I assume that I will have to continue to get a rabies shot for them in the US.

I'm on the fence on this one. I believe pups need their first vaccs and probably their first booster too to make sure. I'm hoping that by the time Dharma is due for her second booster (next November) it will be clearer how often theyre needed. In the States a lot of vets are now saying once every three years but until they say that here, I'll stick to every year unless titre testing proves to be accurate or the vets admit otherwise. I do agree there is a lot of over-vaccination - primarily, as someone else pointed out to me, in pounds when there is no history, and also when you know your dog is vaccinated but dont have necessary paperwork and the vet insists on starting again.