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« on: April 11, 2004, 09:14: PM »

If you've read my topic on information on owners then you will know i am an animal care student.

I took Robbie to college with me a couple of weeks ago and my grooming teacher was disgusted by him. She said he had got the worst texture of fur for a westie she'd ever seen  Evil or Very Mad . Now Robbie is clipped and not hand stirpped thats why his fur is so soft. I took no notice because he's not a show dog. She reckons every dog no matter if its a purely a pet should have the correct texture and cut as a show dog does. This isn't right is it?

Don't people want something that looks nice, is easy to cope with and doesn't need doing every week or two?

What do you guys reckon to this?

p.s dunno if i've done the poll question right  Smile
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2004, 10:04: PM »

If the dog is not going to be shown, then there is no reason to cut it with a show cut...If I had poodles, I wouldnt want to be bothered with maintaining the "fru-fru" cut if it wasnt necessary...a simple shave is all you need.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2004, 10:40: PM »

While I think that groomers should learn and know breed standards on most common breeds, I do not believe every pet dog should sport a show trim, or even be required to have show texture (like hand stripping pet terriers). Most terriers I know are not handstripped, but rather clipped as it's easier maintenance. It does change the color and texture, but if the dog isn't going into the show ring, what difference does it make? Many other dogs have stripped coats for the ring such as Afghans and Spaniels, but it's hardly practical for most pet owners. As long as the dog is kept clean and well maintained, it could sport the ugliest haircut in the world as far as I'm concerned. I've seen quite a few "custom" clips that pet owners want (Schnauzer trims on Yorkies, Poodle feet on Cockers, that sort of thing). People have the right for their pets to look any way they want them to. If we want to be that hung up on show standards, every single Springer would likely have coat nearly to the floor as well as Cockers and Yorkies and Shih Tzus and.... while a few pet owners may not mind keeping up with it, what pet owner wants to be REQUIRED to keep up with it? I have Standard Poodles, myself, as well as a Schnauzer (clipped, not stripped) and three Lhasa Apsos, two of which are shaved nekkid which is definitely NOT show standard.

Also, every pet dog doesn't necessarily have correct texture to begin with. You really can't undo genetics. I have seen some poorly bred terriers whose coats weren't very strippable... no matter what, they would be soft and washed out looking. More power to you for keeping your Westie groomed, clipped or not. I'd much rather see a dog clean and comfy than some of the year round neglected matballs some people have.

Again, I think it's important that groomers are educated on breed standards and correct trims and textures, but methinks it's a bit overzealous to expect pet owners to adhere to these standards. Can you imagine seeing every single Poodle in a Continental (show) trim??

Tell the ol' gal to lighten up. Cool
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2004, 10:47: PM »

If you can tell her to lighten up and leave the room alive i would give you a medal  Smile
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2004, 11:57: PM »

Being the gruff old broad I am, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts I could do it. I haven't met a person yet that intimidates me enough to bite my tongue. I do not put up with blatant disrespect which is what I perceived of your grooming instructor from the tone of your post. It's one thing to try to teach someone. It's quite another to belittle them.

I ain't afeared of the ol' gal. It takes more than dirty looks and ugly words to wound me. Now, if we're talking assault weapons... Smile
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2004, 06:55: AM »

I agree with courtnek
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2004, 07:22: AM »

Once again HF you have me in fits Laughing

I couldn't have put it better myself

I have Springers and there is no way I could maintain a show cut with these loonatics,have you any idea just how much wet and mud a springers coat can hold ?
It's phenomenal Shocked

I also have mine sent to the groomers (sister) and they are trimmed to be tidy,occasionally I will have a nekkid cut,but I usually regret it so most times they just have a trim,Ellie has been completely shaved off twice,both times because she ran through a field and came out the other side looking like a big green kiwi fruit because she was covered from head to toe in burrs Laughing Oh how I wish I'd had the camera  Laughing
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2004, 08:37: AM »

I have to slightly disagree with this.  Although, I don't think "pet" dogs need the "show trim", I do think you should look after the coat as it should be.  I strip my gwp and would never approach him with clippers.  He has a wiry coat and I want him to keep a wiry coat.  I think that when researching a breed, you need to look into the grooming requirements as well - obviously not top priority but should be there.  I would never get a poodle or a breed that needed a lot of work on the coat as I am not so committed but when I have a wirecoated breed, I make sure he his "wirehaired".

My springers, I run a coat king through them and trim their ears.  I have in the past clipped my eldest springer and her coat is pretty rubbish now so I certainly won't be clipping my young springer.

JMO of course.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2004, 08:49: AM »

Personally no.  I can't stand show cuts (just look at a poodle to see what I mean), and I feel as long as an animal is healthy and comfortable, and not matted and sore - what difference does it make?
One of our neighbours has a Standard Poodle, and she just clips her evenly all over, and I must say she is one of the most beautiful dogs I've ever seen...but if she did her in one of those lumpy bumpy bobbly and bald show cuts, I'd have to have a good snigger at her  Laughing
Probably why I have two smooth coated, no clipping necessary, dogs  
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2004, 08:50: AM »

Ooops just noticed above that Horsefeathers has some poodles in her pic - they are gorgeous - not in one bit lumpy, bumpy or bald  Embarassed
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2004, 11:29: AM »

Like i say she totally critisizes dogs that don't meet the show dog standard, we had a golden retriever in one week and just because he had a problem with his legs she didn't like him. She isn't happy until she see's a dog that is used for showing.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2004, 02:18: PM »

Well, that's a bit ott.  However, I still feel they should have the correct "texture" but not the trim.

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2004, 03:40: PM »

I didn't buy my dogs for how they looked, but for the personality.  And I like what my groomer says.....The dog will be groomed to Breed Standard, but your personal preference for how you like your dog to look is very important - so, if you want your Yorkie to look like a Poodle that's fine too!!! She will not however, do anything that could harm or cause discomfort to your dog.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2004, 04:27: PM »

Quote from: "HelenF"
I have to slightly disagree with this.  Although, I don't think "pet" dogs need the "show trim", I do think you should look after the coat as it should be.  I strip my gwp and would never approach him with clippers.  He has a wiry coat and I want him to keep a wiry coat.  I think that when researching a breed, you need to look into the grooming requirements as well - obviously not top priority but should be there.  I would never get a poodle or a breed that needed a lot of work on the coat as I am not so committed but when I have a wirecoated breed, I make sure he his "wirehaired".

My springers, I run a coat king through them and trim their ears.  I have in the past clipped my eldest springer and her coat is pretty rubbish now so I certainly won't be clipping my young springer.

JMO of course.

Helen


I think it's great that you're committed to keeping proper texture on your own dogs. I just don't think it should be a requirement, or that owners should be guilted into it. Maybe it's because I'm in the US, but in our society, dogs are often a commodity, easily discarded for something "better" whether that means easier to maintain, younger, newer, less hairy, less shedding, whatever one's definition of "better" entails. I see so many dogs who don't get any grooming at all and their overall health suffers. I've seen maggots in neglected coats among other horrendous things. I'm happy to see ANY pet owner who maintains their pet's coat regularly and keeps them comfortable. In an ideal world, all terriers would have wiry coats, spaniels would have the proper harsh textures, but I'm just happy to see them loved and well cared for, if softer in coat and of less desirable color. It's a compromise I can live with. Things may be different in other countries aside from the US, so I don't know if that has any bearing on views or not. I have a Schnauzer, myself, (among several other breeds of dogs) and his coat is clipped. Of course, it's soft, faded looking and definitely doesn't have the proper texture. However, he is clean and comfortable. My lifestyle just does not allow me the time (nor desire, to be honest) to keep him stripped out. I have done it before and he was absolutely perfect, but, pheh! He was a foster who became virtually unadoptable, so here he is... clippered and stuck with me . I reckon I pick and choose my battles. I feel that spaying and neutering, regular health care, and regular grooming if it does mean clippering are paramount to things like proper coat texture.

Again, I am tickled pink at those pet owners who are willing to make that commitment. I just don't think other pet owners who do not should have to feel like less of a responsible owner.


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Ooops just noticed above that Horsefeathers has some poodles in her pic - they are gorgeous - not in one bit lumpy, bumpy or bald

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Actually, one of them IS sporting the showy "lumpy, bumpy and bald" trim at this time Laughing . I've been praticing my show trims because I'm considering showing Standard Poodles. If it weren't for needing the knowledge and experience, heck no, I'd shave it all off. I still may. It's really a LOT of work maintaining a Standard Poodle in show coat. I'm thinking more of showing my next favorite breed, Lhasa Apsos, rather than the Standards I love so dearly. I've managed maintaining those coats before and it's not quite as involved. With so many fosters and my own permanent resident dogs, I kind of have to compromise with my time.

Tmink29, your groomer sounds like a keeper!
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2004, 08:12: PM »

HF as usual, you have ME in stitches too...And I'm with you on the "old broad who wont be pushed"....I think were in the same timeline, you and I...

Charl@rob, if it were me (and HF, obvisouly) I would spout my favorite axiom to people like that..."If I want your opinion, I'LL ASK...DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH...." It's YOUR dog!! If you dont want to do the maintenance of a show cut, SO BE IT.... as long as the coat is healthy, trimmed nicely and not bearing burs and bugs, it's fine. Mine are both short haired dogs, and require little maintenaince, and I like it that way. I spent 13 years grooming a Golden three times a week...dont want to to do that now with kids and full time job. I have my dogs for company and conpanionship...THEY certainly dont care how their coats look!  They'll roll in dead animals and mud after a bath....

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