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« on: April 26, 2005, 01:52: AM » |
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Hi, I have a male golden retriver and he is very aggressive with his food!  Eveytime you go near him when he is eating or something comes to close to his face he growls and then he bites it. My family has little kids over all of the time and I have a feeling that one day a kid is going to drop some food, our dog, Murray is going to start eating it, and the kid will want the food back, and get to close and Murray will bite that kid! Anything would be helpful at this point, thank you, Rachel
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2005, 02:40: PM » |
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You need some one-to-one help immediately. This sounds serious especially since there are kids involved. Get yourself a decent behaviour advisor/trainer straight away from one of these organisations: www.apdt.co.ukwww.apbc.org.ukwww.ukrcb.co.ukYou could try to sort the problem out yourself using one particularly good book that's available on the market but I really think you should have someone experienced to help and guide you. The risk with the kids is just too great to take any chances. Marion P.S. Don't let anyone tell you he's being 'dominant'. He is almost definitely resource guarding. P.P.S. Until you get one-to-one help, don't let anyone near him while he's eating!
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 04:57: PM » |
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hi rachel its me. ok fist of all you just need to make sure that you don't feed him around kids because that doesn't ehlp. and you have to show him that it is not a good thing. and make sure that you ease him over to his food. he also may be agressive because he is hungry. feed him little snacks so that he is not as hunrgy. see ya at school.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2005, 11:56: PM » |
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Thank you Marion and Taylor i will try those things! 
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2005, 04:47: PM » |
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Hi!
Most behavourists will tell you to feed your dogs from your hands and put the bowl back in the cupboard! He will soon understand that unless he sits nicely he wont get any food!
Once he accepts that the food comes only from you and you can start to introduce other adults. Leave the children for sometime until you are sure that he is ok with food.
Good luck
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 09:48: AM » |
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Hi Is it in a very busy area of the house where your dog eats his food? I ask because it seems that dogs will guard their food if they are used to it being threatened. My own dogs are very relaxed with me being around them when they are eating, I think because I simply let them get on with eating after I have put their food down and so they don't see me as a threat to their grub!  Is your dog allowed to eat in peace once his food has been put down for him? Having said what I have about my dogs, I'm afraid I wouldn't trust either of them an inch not to take the opportunity to snatch food off a small child visiting my house, as they are dogs after all I suppose  . So my dogs are not allowed in the same room as any kids who visit, when the kids have food. Could you do this perhaps? I definitely agree with Marion's advice to let him eat his food in peace when you have given it to him. I would probably also get annoyed if I started to eat my dinner, only to be interrupted or have it taken away from me! 
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2005, 01:52: PM » |
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hi rachel its me. ok fist of all you just need to make sure that you don't feed him around kids because that doesn't ehlp. and you have to show him that it is not a good thing. and make sure that you ease him over to his food. he also may be agressive because he is hungry. feed him little snacks so that he is not as hunrgy. see ya at school. Try teaching that to my food aggressive girl. She could eat all day and still growl and snap at Badger if he went too close (which he's learnt not to now!). I dont have any advice for the original poster I'm afraid - but I do have some advice for members abusing people via the pm system. Please dont use the pm system to send malicious, hurtful or inflammatory messages to other members. Remember, you can only get respect if you give it
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 06:42: PM » |
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You could teach him to give things to you in your hand like toys. Start off by swapping one toy for another making sure what you have to give him is of greater value, you could make a game of it so hes used to you handling his stuff once hes happy to give things up on demand you could try to introduce food with him taking it from you but make him wait untill you say he can have it (but not too long) but he has to be gentle. The aim is for him to completely trust you so he doesnt see you as a threat. Once he trusts you another idea is when you feed him hold a little of his dinner to one side then when hes nearly finished add the rest to his bowl and leave him, hopefully he should see you as the giver of food not the taker. Dont let the kids do this as it could confuse him. You will know if this will work for your dog. its just an idea i thought of
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 02:26: PM » |
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Hi,
I would surgest giving him away unless you have a trainer working with him on his behavour problems...Because you, the kids and many more people could be in danger. My dog used to be aggressive around food and toys, then after we done nothing about it and just left him when he was playing with toys or eating...He started getting aggressive around people for nothing. Like if they even looked at him when he didn't like it he would growl and then snap, we still done nothing about it because we didn't have any kids in the house...But then one day my little 4 year old cousin came over to the house, and he went to stroke the dog, the dog jumped up and snapped at him and bit him on his sholder. We are thankful it was not his face and it was not harder, because if it was he would either be scard for life or dead, my cousin only had minor injuries but...If this happens to you or your familly you may not be so lucky...So before you thinhk of anything else, have a long hard think of weather he is worth the saftey of you or anyoine else, i hope my advice has helped you. Regards...Terry
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 04:13: PM » |
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do you eat first at meal times if no then start as this is telling him you are his leader the alpha dog after all the dog is a pack animal and the alpha dog always eats first putting him in the correct position in your house hold
if you feed him in doors then do it after the children go to bed or whilst they having a bath watching tv ect or feed him in the garden
but also get help from a behaviorist as MARSIPAN said
but following simple instructions in the feed time & the help of a behavioist i agree with
if fearful where the children are which you are !! then i would keep the dog away in the garden or in another room whilst the children have food in their hands then allow him back in once the children have fininshed eating sweeties or anything
good luck i hope you solve the problem
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 09:34: PM » |
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The idea that you should eat before your dog, along with several other ones such as not occupying furniture or sleeping on the bed etc etc are somewhat misguided. In a wild pack the adolescents would be allowed to eat first in times of hardship to ensure the survival of the pack. If food was not in short supply then they would all tuck in together.
However the main reason that these theories are flawed is because they are dogs and we are humans so it is ridiculous to assume that they would want to form a pack with us.
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I think animal testing is a terrible idea. They get all nervous and then they give the wrong answers.
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2005, 08:19: PM » |
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sorry i beg to differ
every one has there own believes and i'm sure they can make their own minds up
mine was just a suggestion this is my belief and this doe's work within my dogs
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2005, 08:46: AM » |
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I used to believe it too because I believed what I was told but it really is not how dogs see it. The theories are based on studies of a captive wolf pack in the 1940's and was based on just a small part of their interactions. Other studies on feral packs have now shown that whilst dogs may live in family units they do not form packs if there is a plentiful supply of food and there are no preditors.
I feed my dogs before I eat, they sleep on the bed and are welcome up on the sofa for a cuddle so why are they not disobedient and unruly or is it possible that they are plotting something sinister without me knowing.
I believe that the highest priviledge afforded to the Alpha male and female is to be allowed to breed. How on earth do people who breed from their dogs ensure that they don't get ideas above their station? And the dog that pulls on the way to the park but walks nicely on the way back. Is he being dominant on the way and submissive on the way back?
The reason it works for many dog owners is that dogs thrive on routine and implementing any rules and being consistent will usually lead to a stable relationship.
Living with dogs on the 'you dog, me boss' basis would be comparable to taking child rearing lessons from chimpanzees.
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I think animal testing is a terrible idea. They get all nervous and then they give the wrong answers.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2005, 12:07: PM » |
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I QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT HERE IS AN ARTICAL PUBLISHED ON CANINE CONCEPTS UK
Why is my dog aggressive to humans ? briefly discusses the background to pack hierarchy and how instability in this can result in dominance aggression. This article looks at the positive actions you can take to estabish yourself as the packleader and bring harmony to your pack.
To your dog, all members of your family are members of the same pack as they are. Both for your dog and families well-being, it is essential that your dog quickly understands that its rank is right at the bottom of the pack hierarchy. This way they will be more complient to commands and generally better behaved, and as a consequence be more of a pleasure to include in family activities.
Establishing yourself as the pack leader helps enforce ranking hierarchy and ensure your pack operates in harmony. Despite popular opinion, this does not mean bullying your dog. Being the pack leader means taking responsibility for pack decisions, protecting the pack and ensuring stressful situations are avoided or resolved. There are a number of very positive actions you can take to establish yourself as the pack leader. It is important to start these as early as you can, ideally when your dog is still a puppy. It may not be necessary to take all the measures outlined below, but you must be consistant in those that you impose. : LIKE I SAY WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN VIEWS ON THIS
DONT WISH TO FALL OUT WITH ANYONE SO LETS LEAVE IT THERE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN REGARDS LESLEY
PS OUT LINED BELOW IS THE REST OF THE ARTICAL
In games of strength (eg. Tug-o-war) ensure you win more than you lose. This sends a signal that you are the stronger member of the pack. When you play possession and chase games, use a set of toys that you can remove from your dog at the end of the game. Your dog can associate possession of priviledged items with higher ranking. Taking the toys from your dog at the end of the game sends a clear signal that they do not own the items. During play sessions, teach your dog to release toys at your request. Thus reinforcing the earlier point that you are the owner of the toy and can request it back at anytime. Stop playing and remove the toy immediately if your dog touches your hand with its teeth or begins to growl aggressively or get over excited. Dominant dogs always have the best sleeping places, usually higher up than the rest of the pack. Reinforce your status and don't let your dog sleep on your bed or furniture. Doorways represent entering new territory. Don't allow your dog to walk through doors ahead of you. Make areas of your house no go areas. Allowing your dog into these areas should be a privilege for good behaviour and not a right. Your dog should know that you own all territory. If your dog is lying in the way, ask them nicely to move, don't walk around them. Higher ranking pack members eat first, so ensure your dog eats after you and DO NOT feed them tip bits while you are eating. Not only does discourage your dog from scrounging, it also reinforces the fact they only eat after you. Don't always respond to your dogs requests for attention. The pack leader will initiate most grooming and petting interactions. On occassions, be aloof to requests for attention by your dog, don't tell them off, just ignore and don't speak to them. Never allow your dog to take up superior positions, such as putting his paws on your shoulders. Walk off and ignore this behaviour if it occurs. Always be consistent over time in your approach to any of the above. Dogs will notice and may exploit changes that it considers weaknesses. Always be consistent in all locations, be they in the house or outside, at home or away from home. Finally, and most importantly, every member of your family most stick to the agreed measures to ensure your dog understands that everyone in the family is more important than he is.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2005, 12:52: PM » |
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With all due respect Lesley I used to shout Jan Fennels praises from the rooftops when I was first involved with dogs and training but now I have to agree with Sarabe,it is VERY flawed.
I think it works with some dogs because it is part of teaching your dog to have some manners,which is of course a good thing but I'm pretty sure sarabe will agree with me when I say that these days so many dogs are labelled as " dominant" when in fact it is a resource guarding issue or a "pulling to get to the park" issue.
If this theory was correct then what would happen in the wild if a Mountain Lion killed a dear and fed from the carcass and then the Wolf pack went in after he had finished......would the Mountain Lion then become pack leader ?? would the alpha male of the pack see it as a challenge ??of course not because they are a different species.
It's not a criticism Lesley but I would urge you to look into these issues further.
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