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clivehodgson
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« on: May 26, 2005, 01:02: PM »

Our English Springer is only 3 month old and we expected her to be biting and mouthing us a lot which she is.  My question is when can we expect it to stop, we've seen plenty of adult springers that obviously don't do this.

Also, what it the best cause of action for it - do we let her do it (obviously as long as it isn't too hard) or do we not let her at all?

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2005, 11:28: AM »

I'm surprised that no-one has replied to this yet...it must have got lost in the crowd!

Yes, at three months you can probably still expect your pup to be mouthing but you should be working on teaching her to control her jaws.  Ideally, your pup should have learned not to put her teeth on humans (skin or clothing) by the time she is about 5 months old (when the adult teeth are through).

Many people will recommend that you stop your pup biting completely (bite prohibition) but I prefer to teach my pups firstly to reduce the strength of the bite and then to reduce how often they mouth until they eventually don't mouth at all (bite inhibition).  This is also the preferred method of Dr Ian Dunbar, one of the world's leading experts in dog behaviour and training.

You will find detailed instructions on how to teach your pup bite inhibition in several of Ian's books.  The one I'd recommend for this is 'After You Get Your Puppy' which is available from Amazon.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 07:57: PM »

It is unlikely that she will stop this behaviour on her own - mouthing and biting are necessary skills that dogs instinctively practise - but she is not in the wild and is highly unlikely to be needing these skills in her adult life.  Have you enroled in a puppy class at your local obedience school?  I would reconmend that you do this asap.  There are exercises and methods (of the kindly type) that can be used but it can be very hard to explain the correct technique over a forum.  You really need to be shown it and practise on your dog with a professional - she will probably have some temper tantrums which can be upsetting if you do not know what they are.  If you would like to chat further please email me cheyne2@fsmail.net
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2005, 06:53: PM »

train her when she is old enough. give her stuff to chew on that is what chew toys are for
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2005, 11:43: AM »

3 months is more than old enough to be trained not to mouth.

Using a word you like to apply to others dogmaster, what a stupid response you have given.

To the OP, if you do a search on the behaviour forum, it should bring up a few topics on how to train pups out of mouthing.  Good luck!
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2005, 05:49: PM »

When she bites you, yelp, turn away nursing your "injuries" and sulk. This is what puppies do in the litter.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2006, 09:22: AM »

Clearly a forum is no substitute for the training classes that every young dog needs, but I would endorse the comments from Anaconda above. We brought our Springer X puppy home last week and to start with she would give us quite painful nips with her needle sharp teeth. However, each time we would make a large yelp and make clear we were hurt then turn away. Very quickly she looked apologetic and came over to give us lots of licks. Already she has stopped closing her teeth on us and although she still mouths our hands and fingers it she no longer uses her teeth at all.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2006, 10:23: AM »

Anyone with a new puppy may find this of help I wrote it a couple of years ago. though it is still relevant today.

Bite Inhibition


Puppies have painfully sharp little piranha like teeth, almost like hypodermic needles, fortunately the jaw muscles are extremely under-developed, One of the main reasons why you should never play tug with a young puppy is you could dislocate the jaw and misalign or damage the teeth.

 Nature has given them these underdeveloped muscles to enable pups to play-bite safely.  Whilst very young and still with his brothers and sisters and he bites too hard in play he gets blasted with a ear piercing "yelp" which makes him immediately back off, he waits a while then starts to play again, but a strange thing has happened, the biting is a bit softer. The same thing when feeding from the mother, the pup uses too much pressure she yelps and moves away end of milk bar. He is then gentler the next time round and a valuable lesson has been learned.

This is nature’s way of inhibiting the force of their bite well before the jaw muscles start to form properly at around about 4.5 months, which also coincides with the time that the puppy teeth start dropping out and the new bigger more dangerous teeth start to come through. This is called the age of cutting.

This learning process is known as “Bite Inhibition” it is a vital and important lesson and is the only reason why your puppies are born with those hideous teeth. This is how your puppy learns to inhibit the force of his bite and to control his jaws, It is a vital that he also learns to inhibit biting us humans.

I see many new owners who are told to stop all play biting, however this could potentially have far-reaching and disastrous consequences. If the pup is trained immediately never to play-bite, he will never have the chance to learn control over his jaws. Therefore, your puppy must initially learn that all biting whatever the circumstances must be done softly. Then you can start to teach him never to bite at all.

This is how you should deal with this problem

1.   Permit the puppy to play-bite by allowing your pup to softly chew on your hand.  When he bites down a little harder than normal, "yelp" sharply and loudly, and turn your head away in rejection. Do not pull your hand away.  Let the puppy move away from the sound and your hand, (pulling your hand away will only encourage him to lunge towards the moving object) As an appeasement after your yelp the pup may come up and lick your hand, accept this gesture. Then allow the play to resume, but this time hopefully with a softer bite.  If the play gets a little rougher, "yelp" again, thus further confirming that any pressure is totally unacceptable. Repeat this exercise as often as possible. And like the New York police chief who had a zero tolerance to crime you do the same with any hard biting.

You will find within a few days, that the biting turns into mouthing; you will have programmed your puppy into thinking that he must not exert any pressure whatsoever whilst mouthing because of your ultra sensitive reaction.  Now you can teach him the “OFF command to stop all mouthing.

The “OFF” Command

2.   Put your dog on its 5 foot lead and the *Jingler. Take a treat, cheese, frankfurter, or puffed jerky is ideal, make the dog sit and hold the lead in your left hand and the treat in your right, offer him the treat and gently say Good "take it" do this at least five times, then offer the dog the treat and do not say anything. When the dog goes to take the treat turn your head sharply to the right and bring your hand with the treat up to your chest giving a slight tug on the lead with your left hand  making the Jingler tinkle and gently say "OFF"  the Jingler really helps the dog focus.

What you are actually saying is by using the word good this acts as a target word similar to a clicker and it acts as confirmation that the behaviour is correct, the “take it”  is a permission command you are effectively saying, this is my bone,  I am prepared to share it but only when I give permission, the permission is “take it” You are also training control of the greatest resource possible “FOOD”

Repeat the "OFF" command until the dog turns his head away, Watch for the movement and the body language and as soon as he does this say "Good Dog, "take it" in a praising tone then give him the treat, keep repeating the exercise until the dog naturally turns his head away when you offer him a treat.

3.   Keep the dog on a lead in the house (you must always be present when the lead is on). When he jumps up or tries to bite the children or you grab the lead and say "OFF” for the bite and “OFF SIT" for the jump, giving a slight corrective jerk on the lead at the same time. Do not praise the dog when he stops you are only praising the bite or the jump. Repeat exercise until he stops jumping up and biting.

If the above does not appear to be working as the puppy is so insistent and is continually biting you or your kid’s hands and feet then get some bitter apple and spray their hands and feet for a few days. However it must be bitter apple as it is the only chew or bite deterrent that really works. All the others I have tried are just a waste of money.

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*The Jingler is a simple device I have personally developed, that uses sound therapy, it works by distracting your dog momentarily from what it is doing and makes it concentrate on you. The repetition of the jingle and either a change of direction or a command conditions your dog so that it associates the jingle with a movement or command, it aids concentration and confirms your training command. It can be used for many behaviours like lunging, jumping up, walking to heel and barking. It can also be used in some cases for both interdog and human based aggression.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2006, 06:47: PM »

Um just a word of caution....tried the 'ouch' yelp with mine and it just wound her up and made her all the more excited.

Works really well with her now she's more mature though!

I had to just shut down completely when she started mouthing not look at her and stop playing and blank her....eventually it comes believe me, but isn't it frustrating!
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 08:18: AM »

Know the feeling.      i have sore ankles now Laughing
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 04:39: PM »

Im sure my work colleagues thought I was self-harming I wasnt it was Duke puppy biting and scratching me Ouch !!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 07:30: PM »

Glad im not alone LOL
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 07:50: PM »

Rest assured you arent those puppy teeth are razor sharp boy was I glad when they fell out. Laughing  Laughing
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 08:55: PM »

Yes, the "ouch" method worked for my pup (alias Needleteeth Laughing ), but not for the one who came to me a year old, as "ouching" wound her up.
It was only stopping the game being played at the time, standing up and turning away that seemed to get the message through to her and that was only after *lots* of perseverance and repetition!
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2006, 10:32: AM »

Quote from: "Jet"
Yes, the "ouch" method worked for my pup (alias Needleteeth Laughing ), but not for the one who came to me a year old, as "ouching" wound her up.
It was only stopping the game being played at the time, standing up and turning away that seemed to get the message through to her and that was only after *lots* of perseverance and repetition!


This technique is really for pups under 20 weeks. You would need to use the OFF command for older.

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