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« on: June 03, 2005, 07:59: AM » |
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Hi,
I have been advised by a dog behaviourist to use a Stop-Pull harness on my dog to give that extra control whilst training him to walk to heel. Does anyone have any views on this type of training aid. I do not want to use something which will cause him any damage in later life.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2005, 09:26: AM » |
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Using a harness on a pulling dog and taking the pressure away from the neck can only be a good thing. If you wanted a dog to pull a sled then you would put him in a harness but there are loads of different harnesses out there that are designed to make it more difficult for the dog to pull. I can't see how they could be considered inhumane.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2005, 11:36: AM » |
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I might be wrong, but I think the type of harness Paul is talking about isn't of the static variety that you would put on a dog pulling a sled, but is of the sort that tightens up in some way when the dog pulls. I haven't got any experience of them myself Paul so can't answer your question I'm afraid, but I'm sure someone else will be able to. The only thing that occurs to me that I have heard someone else say, is that the cords on one of them can cut in under the dogs armpits. Sorry I'm not much use!  |
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2005, 01:11: PM » |
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I might be wrong, but I think the type of harness Paul is talking about isn't of the static variety that you would put on a dog pulling a sled, but is of the sort that tightens up in some way when the dog pulls.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2005, 02:45: PM » |
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Iv'e got one but I only used it once as my dog did not walk properly with it he kept looking at me as if to say 'take this thing off me', having said that it did not harm him in any way and certainly works as a pulling deterrent in my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2005, 09:49: PM » |
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Apart from my Greyhound, all my dogs have pulled when I first got them. I use the Tracking Type harness from TRPD and they quickly stop pulling. This isn't for this, but does do the job. The strap round the body is set much futher back than most, which seem to be behind the front legs, and doesn't rub.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2005, 07:49: PM » |
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I have reconmended that owners use a stop pull harness with varying degrees of success!!! Have you ever tried a halti? In my experience halti's are the best way to prevent pulling as the head is controlled and not the neck! Take care that you get the right size (dont be fooled by the packaging - take your dog to get one fitted) and that it is fitted correctly - if it is too loose around the neck the dog can still pull. For safety always connect the halti to a combination collar - you dont want your dog escaping!!! Another pointer unless you have a tight static collar dont use the connector - it allows to much freedom of the head and therefore wont work.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2005, 08:04: AM » |
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Hi!
If fitted and used correctly the halti is a valuable training tool.
I use them on my own dogs when walking in the street. The halti prevents the dogs from literally choking and gives the owner a control of unpredicatable events such as a dog seeing a cat or fox and wanting to chase after it with the owner intact!
Many puppies balk and struggle when collars and leads are attached for the first time as they do not want to be restricted in any way. The puppies learn that they have to wear it and adapt quickly. The same can be said for the halti.
As with all training aids it is the owner that decides the best course of action and all training aids should be used in conjuction with professional assistance.
Many owners choose to use pinch collars instead of haltis I would suggest that the use of these collars is far more barbaric.
This sounds like a topic for discussion - lets discuss!
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2005, 10:16: AM » |
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If it's a harness that works like this one  with cords under the dog's armpits then I wouldn't advise it - they can leave really horrible welts  I've been told by many people the best harness to stop pulling is the Walkezee, although I've never used one myself. I use a Gentle Leader on one of mine, Have tried a Halti in the past but they're not as sturdy as the GL and they did tend to twist and end up right in his eyes. Annette |
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2005, 03:15: PM » |
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I use the Mikki walkrite harnesses on my lot, they have rubber padding on the cords so I don't have any problems with sores etc. I have used Halti's in the past and the dogs simply don't enjoy their walk. I can walk 4 adult Siberians together on 6' leads attatched to a walking belt using the harnesses and they get the freedome to sniff around in the woods but are easy to control if I come across an other dog walker, deer or horses. They are only a temporary fix and don't train the dogs not to pull, when I put their working harnesses on then It can be difficult to walk one of them.
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2005, 10:11: PM » |
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My guess is that your trainer has given you a training protocol to work through with your dog. Are you happy with that protocol and is your dog showing any improvement?
If the answer to both is yes, then listen to your trainer. Swapping and changing techniques does nothing but confuse your dog.
Unless you actually follow the training advised, it is unlikely that improvements will be made.
There are ways in which the harness can assist in training as well as for short-term maintenance, but I assume your trainer has talked this through with you?
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2005, 06:41: PM » |
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harness are not as confertable for a dog because there is too much pressure on there chest. if your dog is responding to it in a good way then it is ok. but if your dog refuses to walk and hangs back like my dog did you should use a normal leash
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