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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2006, 03:06: PM » |
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Well after following Stan's tips he is a different dog now. Must have been finding his feet LOL Yay - great news 
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2006, 04:55: PM » |
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So his walnuts may stay 
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2006, 10:40: AM » |
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Excellent news 
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2006, 11:40: AM » |
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Actually I was asking from a dog welfare kind of stance. I personally believe all dogs should be neutered, unless there is a medical or behavioural reason not to. It's not aesthetics I'm thinking of, as would be the case if someone was intending to dock.
But yes, it could help stop humping in many dogs. I totally agree with this statement though would always wait for the dog to be cocking his leg for at least a month before castration. If you do it before he cocks his leg, quite often he will squat for the remainder of his life. Also if castrate the male dog that is cocking he generallydoes not smell bitch like to other uncastrated dogs, but castrate them before they cock and they could be plagued by unwelcome attention for the rest of their lives. Glad to hear the noise aversion works it normally does if it is set correctly. Matter of interest I have started a new Association called PAACT stands for Professionalisation Association of Applied Canine Trainers. www.paact.co.uk Have a look see what you think it is intended to bring together both skills ie behaviourist and obedience trainer as I believe both are empirical to the overall treatment of a dog. Stan
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2006, 12:01: PM » |
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Firstly I am very pleased that you have sorted your dog and if anyone wants to make another thread out this then feel free.
However, I cannot and will not ever see why people who call themselves animal lovers and who possibly demonstrate quite loudlty against things like docking and dew claw removal are so quick to advocate the surgical removals of a dogs reproductive organs.
We live in a day and age where is seems animals have more rights that humans. So how about we suggest that all disabled people or anyone with a IQ of less that 50 is surgically made infertile.
Or maybe if a male or female is found to produce a deffective child then we should render them infertile.
The main crux of my arguement is that yes if people think there maybe a situation where your dog may roam or your bitch may get to a male and have an unwanted litter then neuter or spey.
But for it to be reccomended as a universal panacea for everthing from killing rose bushes to humping teddies is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I still cannot believe why people think it is ok to do this. I was watching the animal welfare bill being debated in parliament the other day where there was some idiot of an MP speaking passionately against docking of even working dogs and at the same time saying it is ok to neuter dogs with behaviour problems.
TRIPE unfortunately is not just something dogs eat.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2006, 05:50: PM » |
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Dogtra - because (and this is just my veiw, I have no problem with you not neutering, Lassie  ) neutering is different to docking in several ways. One, it has benificial effects, namely that a neutered (or spayed) dog is much less likely to develop testicular or ovarian cancer, it can make male dogs less prone to wandering, in some cases of dominance related behavioural problems it can be a great help, they smell better , spayed bitches don't get constantly bugged by dogs, it can make other dogs behave less competitively towards the dog and so on and so on. Obviously there's the benefit of reducing unwanted litters and therefore cutting down on abandonments and freeing up kennels in rescue centres. Of course Lassie has her reasons not to which are perfectly fine, I'm just telling Dogtra why many of us are for neutering and against docking/cropping. In contrast, nowadays docking and cropping have no purpose other than to be aesthetically pleasing to the owner. Yes, in working gundogs etc there may be a reason for it ( less injuries etc) but the average dog is not benefitted in any way by having it's extremities stolen. There is no good reason to have it done, and it causes unnecessary trauma. Ever seen a Great Dane pup with it's ears all bound up above it's head? A puppy wants to run, play and not be hampered by a huge wad of bandages on it's bonce. And before you say it is still a good idea for working gaurd dogs to have croppings and dockings done I'd better tell you that I don't agree with the use of dogs as guards either - but that's another topic. Rachel
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2006, 08:33: PM » |
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I do not see any reason to have a perfectly normal pet castrated just for the sake of it. When i sell a pup i do not preach to the new owner to do so. However at the end of the day it is their decision to decide Docking is a different issue !!!
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2006, 08:42: PM » |
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 I agree, Lassie. I like to neuter my dogs personally just because it makes things easier all round for us, but like you said, it's an individual preference and doesn't suit everyone. I was really just posting to explain things to Dogtra, on the docking subject. Anyway - do you breed then? I'm going to make a guess at... Rough collies?
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2006, 08:49: PM » |
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 but only when i want one to show myself . So do not breed very often Mine are pets, house dogs first and foremost and have 2 litters max and then are spayed. .All prospective purchasers are well and truly grilled by ME  . Most do spay/castrate but as i said its up to them.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2006, 11:19: PM » |
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Aww, puppers! It's nice to see there's still some responsible breeders out there
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2006, 10:40: AM » |
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There are a few but sadly theres many more that aren't 
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2006, 02:38: PM » |
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I know... I know at least one - she purposely breeds crosses. Well, I say purposely; she has 10 chihuawa's, a few chinese crested crosses and a borzoi which are all unneutered and allowed to breed constantly as and when (and with who) they like. She then sells them on. She brags about how she bred a Chi/rottie cross etc. According to friends who have been round to her house the place is filthy, cramped and the dogs are all underweight. She keeps the borzoi in one room and never lets it out to walk.  Her main breeding bitch suffers already with epilepsy and pretty much always has a litter. I would ring the RSPCA, but as I made my opinions clear to her  I wouldn't be welcome round her house and so haven't seen it for myself. Although I don't think my friends are lying they are not animal people and don't seem keen to ring themselves.
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2006, 05:17: PM » |
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Oh awful poor things  We have a puppy farmer near here breeds Labs and Goldies, Springers and Bc's. He is so crafty moves on to the next council area so by the time hes been caught he moves to the next town  People have had £5000. vet bills due to his breeding of dogs that have not health checks 
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