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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2006, 07:24: PM »

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K9- If it happen in just a handful of cases it still means the pedigree of thousands and thousands of dogs of several generations are not worth the paper they're written on. Given the fact that it is the KC who 'approve' or 'certify' the authenticity of a 'pedigree' dog are they doing enough to ensure dubious breeding practices such as the scenario I described never happens?


My thoughts are that the Kennel Club fraud cases, by high ranking members of the Kennel Club with access to the entire KC data base, any belief in any KC pedigree being authentic, regardless of breed, is sheer wishful thinking “I want to believe so I will believe”. But with that state of affairs going on for an unknown number of years, it would not be thousands, it’s perfectly reasonable to think in terms of hundreds of thousands of worthless Kennel Club pedigrees as a direct result of the Kennel Club internal forgery team.

That is, the people the fraud squad had enough evidence on to get a convictions, it cannot exclude the possibility that more were involved and the fraud squad did not bring charges due to lack of evidence, and once the members of the team were arrested that at least stopped the racket for a while. But I think in terms that every Kennel Club pedigree in UK is open to question and is suspect, every one.

It could have been going for many years and how many puppy farms were involved? it is a valid line of though that because puppy farms are 100% purely commercial buisnesses they would pay higher money and order more bent pedigrees, no, the Kennel Club I cannot accept any pedigree as clean.

Another part of that is how long have the police been trying to get rid of institutional racism? a long time and with such high stakes so easily available is really reasonable to presume that that one case got rid of institutionalised corruption? my thoughts are no, more secure measures would be learned to succeed without detection.

There is always one inherent element when corruption is involved and that element is lying in some form is present in many areas of those who are involved in corrupt practice. Lying is not one thing, lying by innuendo is probably the most common form of lying, the more obvious is the direct lie “Black is not black it is white” type, also deliberately covering up significant things (could be anything(s) to portray something opposite, misleading by ommission. There are an abundance of evidence of all these factors by the Kennel Club and this suggests lies are normal within that institution.
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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2006, 08:02: PM »

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OMG cocker mum..   Gosh how could anyone do that Shocked  Shocked .   Having done everything by the book like you,   one has to question how can they live with the guilt. I couldn't.


i know but they don't think what they are doing is wrong... and they always have the "correct" paperwork if anyone ever goes round to check!!!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2006, 08:13: PM »

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cockermum - i know but they don't think what they are doing is wrong


So much for an innocent question.
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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2006, 05:57: AM »

it was an innocent question. i wanted other peoples views. i use the kennel club but don't like the way they don't keep track of things and i wanted other peoples views on the KC. a few of the other breeders i know take liberitys as they know the KC won't follow up and they don't really care about their dogs. i wanted to see how others felt about this!!! how is that not innocent?

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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2006, 06:37: AM »

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a few of the other breeders i know take liberitys as they know the KC won't follow up and they don't really care about their dogs.


Yes and that is why breeders here are against fit for breeding tests which include adequate, verifiable ID measures. It suits KC buisness interests and the breeders interests, the only way that can change is for enough people to form breed registration clubs and work to FCI standards and FCI recognition.

There is no incentive at all to breed a working line of dog in Europe, only genuine dedication in the best interests of the breed as a whole, it is the dogs best interests which come first, not the individual breeder(s) and thats riourously imposed by the breed registration clubs (KC here).
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2006, 07:11: AM »

I bought a rottie pup 8 years ago. Knew she wasn't great pedigree because of the price but went to look anyway. (Only wanted her for a pet) Ordered her and went home to ring my sister about it. She had bought a pup 6 months earlier. Turned out it was the same man. Two bitches had come through to see us - one with a tail, one without. The mother of my pup was the one without.
Went to collect the pup and mentioned my sister had one from an earlier litter. He said it was the one with tail that had last litter. Told my sister when I got home and she said the mother of hers deffo had no tail! Needless to say I reported him to the Kennel Club because both our pups had been given exactly the same pedigree.
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2006, 08:06: AM »

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I reported him to the Kennel Club because both our pups had been given exactly the same pedigree.


Do you know if any action was taken? How did they communicate with you once your complaint had beed made?
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2006, 09:22: AM »

At least with the KC they are registering dogs within the correct breed!

Whereas the other registry which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole register dogs with "Championship" names from totally different breeds and are much worse than the KC ever could be!

I register all of my dogs be them pets or hopefully show dogs because unless they have something totally incorrect such as being mismarks it is not always easy to tell whether a 7 week old will be show quality.  I'm sure that we've all been there where the ugly duckling turns into the swan.

All my dogs have restriction on them until they are 2 years old and then they have to pass strict health tests etc. before they can be removed!
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2006, 12:02: PM »

i agree Briarlow.      But not always the correct colouring

I too endorse my pups.

BTW whats the other registry?
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2006, 03:16: PM »

K9media - I never received anything at all from the KC, no phone call, letter , nothing. The man never advertised again though. I was later told that if anyone crosses that man, it spells big trouble. Don't care, I would do it again tomorrow. I have bought another rottie a couple of months ago and the breeder was fantastic. Still keep in touch with her. Complete difference!
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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2006, 10:16: AM »

Bumping this thread as it seemed the most appropriate place to add a link to a feature on the K9 Magazine website about "The American Kennel Club, The Puppy Farm & The Deal That Never Was"

Would be interested in any comments anyone might wish to express.

http://www.k9magazine.com/viewarticle.php?sid=15&aid=1615
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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2006, 02:41: PM »

Crikey IMO seems a bit off.....................  At the same time Im not surprised .  but why .............is it not encouraging puppy farming?
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