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I am currently looking for anyone willing to breed thier Border collie bitch with my border collie dog.
He's a smoothhair, extremely placid and trained! Thats all I'll place for now but PM or post here and I'll send more info
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 12:28: AM » |
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Alan Wilson. Do you know how many people are breeding collies? Have you any idea how many there are in rescue at the moment, how many Border Collies there are with no permanent home, languishing in kennels and foster homes up and down the country, how many are going to be put to sleep tomorrow just because they don't have a home? Please seriously reconsider contributing to this problem unless you are prepared, in co-operation with the owner of the bitch to look after every single dog that your dog produces should the owner no longer be able to at any stage of their life. Here are just a few that are looking for homes and unlikely to get one this side of Christmas. Rufus on the rescue me pages is lucky enough to be lodging here at the moment but he would love a permanent home. http://www.agilitynet.com/active/rescueme.HTML http://www.wiccaweys.co.uk/start.html |
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 01:14: AM » |
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My older dog is a rescue!!
My BC was a stray!!
There are curently only 2 collies in my rescue center, one reserved pending home visit
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 01:14: AM » |
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I'd be happy to foster for you but this wouldn't be permanent
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 06:36: AM » |
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Please Please Please dont do this. There are far too many dogs dying every minute in this country, for more dogs to be born. If you want another dog, contact Border Collie Resuce, and see what they have..or ask them what they think to you breeding another litter. Good on you for taking in two rescues..but what do you know about his breeding line? his parents health?
Why do you want to breed from him? is he s show specimen? is he 100% of his breed standard? My Poppy is an ex show dog..but I wont breed from her beacuse of the thousands of Rough Collies in Kennels.
More importantly how many times do you plan to breed? If you let him do it just the once, you will have lost your "pet". How would you feel if you were allowed to have sex once, but never ever again???
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2006, 08:34: AM » |
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My older dog is a rescue!!
My BC was a stray!!
And you are going to breed from him!!!!  I assume you have had his eyes tested for PRA and his hips - what is his hip score? Do you know if there is any history of epilepsy in his ancestry? There are curently only 2 collies in my rescue center, one reserved pending home visit That's two too many. |
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2006, 09:51: AM » |
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Keeribaby there aren't thousands of Rough Collies in kennels.I assume you dont mean rescue kennels!
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2006, 10:14: AM » |
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Keeribaby there aren't thousands of Rough Collies in kennels.I assume you dont mean rescue kennels! There are Border Collies though.  I'd be happy to foster for you but this wouldn't be permanent Thanks, but no thanks. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2006, 10:25: AM » |
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There are Border Collies though. Sarabe qouted
Yes i know and loads of Crossed BCS. Kerrie said Rough Collies
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2006, 11:54: AM » |
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He was a stray but luckily the breeder had him chipped to thier farm address. His doesn't have CEA and his hips are great!
Unwanted pup most likely as they didn't want him back, assuming the farm had no way of knowing he was missing
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2006, 11:59: AM » |
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Admittingly this post is turning into one of the fierce battles of this forum.
Yes there are many dogs in need of rescue, but if everyone bought rescue dogs, dogs would go extinct!!
Compare this to us! Theres thousandsb of homeless kids in the UK but you dont stop having your own children because of it?
I want to breed this border collie as he is one of the most placid and un-energetic I know and he's stuck by my side since I had the grace of recieving him
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2006, 01:12: PM » |
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but if everyone bought rescue dogs, dogs would go extinct!!
I am well aware that dogs would become extinct within a generation if nobody bred them but lets leave the breeding to the people who know what they are doing. The ones who will have a waiting list of people wanting one of their puppies before the mating would take place and will take back the pups at any time in their life should their circumstances change. These responsible breeders do not become a drain on the resources of the rescues who heartbreaking task it is to decide daily which ones will live and which will die. People who are breeding from animals that are unlikely to pass on heridatary diseases, people who have a working knowledge of genetics and don't just stick a dog and a bitch of the same breed together thinking that's how to make lots of little clones of daddy. That isn't how it works. Surely as a professional dog trainer Alan you must have some idea of the welfare issues and the ethics of breeding. I want to breed this border collie as he is one of the most placid and un-energetic I know and he's stuck by my side since I had the grace of recieving him And?????? and an additional and, you reckon he's gonna stay there once you've used him on a bitch? Compare this to us! Theres thousandsb of homeless kids in the UK but you dont stop having your own children because of it?
I can absolutely assure you that my children have never, nor would they ever be homeless. However I would have no hesitation in supporting compulsory sterilisation .... don't get me started on that. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2006, 04:37: PM » |
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I am aware of this, and I am always willing to take back unwanted pups no matter what age. I would never dream of sending a living creature away and not keeping contact.
In terms of the child metaphor, I was not having a pop at you, I was saying that even though there are so many homeless children it doesn't stop a parent wanting thier own child.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 04:38: PM » |
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The ones who will have a waiting list of people wanting one of their puppies before the mating would take place Everyone has to start somewhere!! |
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 05:30: PM » |
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I am aware of this, and I am always willing to take back unwanted pups no matter what age. I would never dream of sending a living creature away and not keeping contact.
So if you became aware that one of your dog's offspring had ended up in rescue because he had bitten a child you'd take it in even if by that time you were married with children of your own. Or what if one of them was traumatised as a pup by another dog or the owners failed to socialise it and subsequently became dog aggressive you'd take that one too. How would your current dogs cope? In terms of the child metaphor, I was not having a pop at you, I was saying that even though there are so many homeless children it doesn't stop a parent wanting thier own child And your dog has expressed his desire to be a daddy has he?  Everyone has to start somewhere!! Okay, so you want to be a dog breeder. Decide on the breed and find a mentor. Either follow them around the show circuit or find a sports club that is appropriate to your chosen breed and learn how to train a dog to the highest level. Working trials, agility, obedience for example if you are going to breed Border Collies. Then get yourself a dog and get out there and prove that it is indeed a top notch dog and that breeding from this dog will be for the benefit of the breed as a whole. Every single day I despair of people that think they can make a fast buck by letting their dog have puppies. I just thought that someone who claims to be a professional dog trainer would have a little more savvy than to breed from a stray and use a pet dog at stud just for the sake of it.   |
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