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« Reply #210 on: January 02, 2007, 12:04: AM »

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spray collars are not electronic collars, they are mechanical, they have a pump inside and when the mechanism fires the pump goes off, which is one reason they break down all the time. Static anti barks are an electronic circuitry which create a muscle stimulation electro pulse.

I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong but what causes the pump to squirt the citronella. Do they use a series of pullies and levers? I am no expert as you point out on every one of your posts. But I seem to remember it uses electronic circuitry and batteries the same as you pit in E Collars and you press buttons rather than levers and it gives off a tone/. But it can't do as the expert on matters electronic has spoken. I must be lying or wrong again or just plain drunk. Rolling Eyes

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« Reply #211 on: January 02, 2007, 12:08: AM »

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That company wants nothing to do with the way that you represent yourself on this forum.  They've asked for their name to be removed from every place that you've claimed an association with them.  It seems to be quite obvious to me that the way that you conduct yourself here is a disgrace to them and they want nothing to do with it or you here.


Sorry Lou perhaps you could tell me where you got this information from?

Read this post from K9media.  

http://www.petfriendlyworld.com/chat/index.php?topic=6679.msg53252#msg53252

Jenci perhaps you could inform us where a competent professional trainer using E collar techniques could be found? You see in the UK if the person was a competent professional trainer they would almost certainly not be using e collars.

Stan you told us yourself that quite a few gun dog trainers in the UK use them.  Are they all incompetent?  

do you think that having personally used them on three separate dogs

Thanks Stan,  An admission of your vast experience with Ecollars.  Let's not forget that you call what you did to those dogs "abusive."  Your word not mine.  And let's not forget that it happened 15 years ago.  Yes, you're certainly up to speed on the latest happenings in Ecollars.  ROFLMAO.  

read Lou's site, and his explanations and the instructions and how the dogs act fearfully with his techniques  

Gee, I've read my site dozens of times and have yet to find a single mention of how a dog "acted fearfully.''  I think you've purposefully misunderstood something again Stan.  Please point this out to us and I'll straighten you out.  

Perhaps you could also tell us how you know we are not educated in e collars.

Because of the constant comments that you make.  The one above about "fearful" acting dogs is a good example.  LOL.  

Lou keeps telling us he is the recognised expert

You're a liar Stan.  I've never applied that word to myself.  In fact each time you have, I correct you, just as I've done AGAIN.  

yet quite clearly on his site he describes fear and panic in the dogs he is treating. He describes it not as some third person bu by himself.

Stan is lying again.  There's no such description of "fear and panic" of any dog that I'm working with.  

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Actually I've never called myself an expert on anything.
 

yet in the last few pages he has bragged on how many seminars that he is doing and how if people read his instructions they would be competent. Just what exactly does Lou think he is saying by those statements!

Just that I know what I'm talking about.  I've never used the word "expert" as applied to myself.  You said I have and that makes you a liar.  I may give a description of my experience and knowledge that leads other people to say it, but I still don't apply the term to myself.  

I have repeated on a number of occasions that I am not on the staff of any company.

Yes you have.  AFTER you were caught telling us that you were "THE behavioral advisor" for three companies.  A reasonable, rational person, after hearing you make such a statement would believe that you were on the staff of those companies.  Yet we now know that this is not the case.  We now know that you are not now and never have been on any of their staffs as their "behavior advisor."  

Yet until a few of us investigated your claims you were perfectly happy to let us believe that.  It was only after a couple of them contacted you and probably told you to correct this claim that you did so.  You certainly didn't make the correction before that was done.  And then you tried to deny it, but it was too late, someone else has quoted your claim, making it impossible for you to deny that you'd edited your post.  

You appear to not be able to understand this I have never ever been on the Staff of Burns

I understand this perfectly Stan.  I also know that you claimed that you were.  

I have never ever been on the Staff of EDITED BY MOD

Ditto.  Am I seeing this right?  Did you post the name of the company that asked that all reference to them be removed from this site and it had to be removed by a moderator?  What disrespect!  What audacity!  But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after all it is Stan.  ROFL.  

I have never been on the staff of Shooting Times

Yes we know.  Now that your lie has been exposed.  

I am self employed

You could be self employed and still be on the staff of a magazine.  I was.  It's called being an "independent contractor."  

It means if I am paid by any of these companies and I am not paid by Burns, it is in a advisory capasity or as an author of articles. Do you understand that simple statement as you constantly refer to staff when I have never said anything of the sort ASSUMING AGAIN.

Not assuming anything that you didn't want me and the rest of the readers to assume Stan.  It's quite clear what you wanted us to believe when you wrote, "I am THE behavioral advisor to (an un-named company) Shooting Times and Burns (dog food.)."  (Emphasis added.)  You want us to believe that you are on their staff and that you are the ONLY behavioral advisor that they use.  It's interesting to note that you didn't make the change in your writing until AFTER those companies were contacted and they learned the lie that you'd been spouting.  

"Methinks that Stan doth protest too much."  
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« Reply #212 on: January 02, 2007, 12:14: AM »

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Doglistener- I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong but what causes the pump to squirt the citronella. Do they use a series of pullies and levers? I am no expert as you point out on every one of your posts.

A fair analogy would be a photocopy machine, you press a button and a whole load of mechanical processes take place. A static anti bark is just total electronic circuitry.
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« Reply #213 on: January 02, 2007, 12:18: AM »

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At least you admit it.  Looks like quitting before starting is your style. 

If you say so Lou, it must be right


It's not right because I say so Yorkie.  I say so because it's right. 
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« Reply #214 on: January 02, 2007, 12:22: AM »

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Doglistener- Jenci perhaps you could inform us where a competent professional trainer using E collar techniques could be found? You see in the UK if the person was a competent professional trainer they would almost certainly not be using e collars.

The opposite is true, it is the responsibilty of every competant trainer to fully understand and gain experience of the widest range of training techniques and aids available, to work with a wide variety of dogs and to learn the widest variety of applications of both techniques and aids and to be competant enough to fit whatever mixture to the individual dog and its individual owner to the benefit of both, to heighten the quality of life of both dog and its human family, as well as giveing the highest possible safety standards available at any given historical point.

The exeption to that is those who are dealing with complient or quiet dogs.
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« Reply #215 on: January 02, 2007, 12:25: AM »

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At least you admit it.  Looks like quitting before starting is your style. 

If you say so Lou, it must be right


It's not right because I say so Yorkie.  I say so because it's right. 


Errm, you are saying that it must be right, then you are saying that it is right, what is the difference?
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« Reply #216 on: January 02, 2007, 12:33: AM »

Yep that's the case.  If you didn't ask the question you didn't get the answer.  That's the way the world works.  You folks are the ones who keep telling me how necessary this questioning is.  You're the ones with the extensive lists of questions.  How is it that you didn't ask the necessary questions?  

Which is why you need to see the dog, the owner and the environment because that way you have the full picture. Do you honestly think that trainers go in with a clip board and sit for an hour asking questions? The full picture emerges Lou. It doesn't emerge with the written word and gaining information from only one side of the equation. Two vital parts are missing, the dog's version and the environment itself. Of course, if you really aren't bothered why the dog is barking and you only want to please the neighbours, then your solution is fine.

As for the surfboarder, Rottie, and seagulls - put up the full link Lou if you are so concerned that I'm misleading people. I seem to remember you saying that the dog exhausted itself to the point of unconsciousness, but I could be wrong. Put up the link and we can all check if you like.
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« Reply #217 on: January 02, 2007, 12:47: AM »

Then either you're powers of observation are lacking or you've conveniently forgotten about them.  The last time that Yorkie made this claim I went looking for places she'd given advice.  I found, in fairly short order half a dozen places where she'd given specific advice for specific problems without having asked a battery of questions about the dog.  I have no interest in doing it again, I've proven it once.  That's enough for me. 

Oh Lou, you put up the links last time. As I remember the vast majority contained advice to get in a professional behaviourist/trainer or were for very simple housetraining/puppy related behaviours.

Similarly, I said I didn't advertise my services on forums/boards such as these and you went to great lengths to say that I did. That one turned out to be one of my clients who had recommended me to someone looking for a behaviourist in my area. I suppose it all depends on your definition Smile, but hey ho!!
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« Reply #218 on: January 02, 2007, 12:53: AM »

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Doglistener- I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong but what causes the pump to squirt the citronella. Do they use a series of pullies and levers? I am no expert as you point out on every one of your posts.

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A fair analogy would be a photocopy machine, you press a button and a whole load of mechanical processes take place. A static anti bark is just total electronic circuitry.

Rubbish how is that a fair analogy it has nothing to do with it. Both stop barking both use circuitry both are a quick fix. End of story.

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« Reply #219 on: January 02, 2007, 12:55: AM »

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Doglistener- Rubbish how is that a fair analogy it has nothing to do with it.

Yes thats a fair analogy, the fact that it is beyond your comprehension does not make it unfair.

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Doglistener -both are a quick fix.

No, the spray collars dont work on a lot of dogs and when they do it does not last, but as far as the statics go they do fix things within 3-5 barks as Lou has allready pointed out to you, so, yes, they fix things very quickley including any legal situation, as a competitor I am sure your only to well aware of that.
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« Reply #220 on: January 02, 2007, 01:00: AM »

I love your use of statistics Denis - we never actually see any but you certainly do love to use them Smile
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« Reply #221 on: January 02, 2007, 01:01: AM »

Earlier Lou wrote
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That company wants nothing to do with the way that you represent yourself on this forum.  They've asked for their name to be removed from every place that you've claimed an association with them.  It seems to be quite obvious to me that the way that you conduct yourself here is a disgrace to them and they want nothing to do with it or you here.

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Sorry Lou perhaps you could tell me where you got this information from?

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Yes I have read it Lou!  Now answer the question. Let me remind you what it is.

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Sorry Lou perhaps you could tell me where you got this information from? Have the moderators discussed what was asked with you personally? Or has the company personally called you to discuss this? Or are you doing what you normally do ASSUME! Bet it is the last one. And if it is the last one that tells us a lot about your methods. You assume what is wrong with the dog rather than actually questioning correctly and getting the facts.

I have seen you assume many things on this board in fact you do this more than anything else. No facts just assumptions  


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« Reply #222 on: January 02, 2007, 01:01: AM »

Yorki- I love your use of statistics Denis - we never actually see any but you certainly do love to use them

Which ones?
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« Reply #223 on: January 02, 2007, 01:02: AM »

All of 'em - you know, the ones that only 'those in the know that use e-collars' can verify Smile
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« Reply #224 on: January 02, 2007, 01:08: AM »

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Yes you have.  AFTER you were caught telling us that you were "THE behavioral advisor" for three companies.  A reasonable, rational person, after hearing you make such a statement would believe that you were on the staff of those companies.  Yet we now know that this is not the case.  We now know that you are not now and never have been on any of their staffs as their

Ahhh I see that word ASSUMPTION again you have ASSUMED as a reasonable rational person . Your nothing of the sort you are a ranting bully boy. Point to one post where I mentioned I was on the Staff of anything. That was you who said that, not me. Stop making stories up, we have enough of fairy tales with Denis without you joining in


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I am self employed

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You could be self employed and still be on the staff of a magazine.  I was.  It's called being an "independent contractor." 

Yes! and your point is?  Rolling Eyes

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