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Hi, I'm new to the forum and the intro to this topic just made me laugh out loud  I own an ESS who I work and show successfully. Most weekends during the shoot season I take her beating on Saturday and then show her on Sunday. This causes much amusement to everyone on the shoot! When I bought her I hoped to show and work her but was told from both camps that you can't do both as a working spaniel won't do well in the show ring (true!) and that a show spaniel won't make a good working dog (complete rubbish!). I just wanted to post to stick up for my dog who isn't "namby pamby" just because I show her! Are there others on here that do the same or anyone that disagrees that you can do both?
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 01:20: PM » |
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I have been told over the years that my dog would not do x, y z  Well it has done the lot and very successfully too. When people say "you cannot do that with one of those, they generally mean THEY have not managed to do it; not that it cannot be done. The greatest motivators for me have been you can't, you shouldn't, you won't etc
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 03:05: PM » |
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I have always had GSD's, Border Collies, Colliex's and have worked them in obedience and agility. When I got my Afghan Hound puppy 11 years ago everyone said to me "YOU'RE GETTING A WHAT?!!!!!!!" "You can't train one of them!!" Well I proved them wrong. She did agility, her heelwork was out of this world, was good off lead and because she was as well trained as she was beautiful she had a few film and TV jobs. I lost her last month to cancer. Life will never be the same again. 
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 03:43: PM » |
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If you kept Komondor, you'd probably struggle to both work and show them - but only because of the nature of the work they do.
Working Koms live in the herd (usually sheep, but they've been known to guard Llama, amongst others) full time, protecting the herd from predators. The coat is often allowed to plate mat, thus forming a suit of armour. The dog gets dirty and matted.
On the other hand, people who compulsively show their Koms (which are white) will bib the dog when not being shown, tie up the cords (which in a ... say 6 year old dog can be down to the ground), wash and powder the animal.
Same breed, two different grooming styles!
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 05:41: PM » |
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and the intro to this topic just made me laugh out loud  I own an ESS who I work and show successfully. Most weekends during the shoot season I take her beating on Saturday and then show her on Sunday. This causes much amusement to everyone on the shoot! When I bought her I hoped to show and work her but was told from both camps that you can't do both as a working spaniel won't do well in the show ring (true!) and that a show spaniel won't make a good working dog (complete rubbish!). I just wanted to post to stick up for my dog who isn't "namby pamby" just because I show her! Are there others on here that do the same or anyone that disagrees that you can do both? Hi there, good to hear about your dog. Do you have a show bred Springer who works or a working bred Springer who shows?
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 07:18: PM » |
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Hi, I'm new to the forum and the intro to this topic just made me laugh out loud  I own an ESS who I work and show successfully. Most weekends during the shoot season I take her beating on Saturday and then show her on Sunday. This causes much amusement to everyone on the shoot! When I bought her I hoped to show and work her but was told from both camps that you can't do both as a working spaniel won't do well in the show ring (true!) and that a show spaniel won't make a good working dog (complete rubbish!). I just wanted to post to stick up for my dog who isn't "namby pamby" just because I show her! Are there others on here that do the same or anyone that disagrees that you can do both? Hi there, good to hear about your dog. Do you have a show bred Springer who works or a working bred Springer who shows? Hi, I have a show bred Springer that works. When I took her to gundog training classes I was met with lots of "oh, a show springer.....that'll never work" but she is a lot steadier than a worker so a lot easier to train. She has also won the heart of the shoots that we go beating on as she is one of the best dogs and by far the best looking ha ha ha  (spot the proud mum  )
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 07:20: PM » |
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Thats lovely to hear. I would love to get Poppy doing things, she isnt just a pretty collie face
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 10:55: PM » |
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when my dane was younger, i desperatly tried to find an agility class for her as i knew she would enjoy it- only to be told that 'danes cant do agility' i finally found a club that competes with 'normal' dogs & also holds giant breed sessions. & this year Clara won the memorial trophy, the great dane that couldnt do agility won the trophy out of the whole club!!! i was the proudest mummy in the world. i was also told 'great danes dont swim'- well guess who loves her hydrotherapy sessions twice weekly?? so i agree with you whole heartedly Sarahlou, judge each dog on its individual merits, & well done to you for what you have acheived with your dog!
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2007, 08:06: AM » |
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I have always had GSD's, Border Collies, Colliex's and have worked them in obedience and agility. When I got my Afghan Hound puppy 11 years ago everyone said to me "YOU'RE GETTING A WHAT?!!!!!!!" "You can't train one of them!!" Well I proved them wrong. She did agility, her heelwork was out of this world, was good off lead and because she was as well trained as she was beautiful she had a few film and TV jobs. I lost her last month to cancer. Life will never be the same again.  i really like afghan hounds, but i have heard they dont get on to well with cats. if u dont mind me asking, how much can i expect to pay for one of them?
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2007, 02:19: PM » |
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Sadly we lost Letitia to cancer just before Christmas.  She was one in a million. She got on fine with the cats. In fact one of the cats is the same age as her and they were best friends as puppy and kitten and played together a lot. As for how much you should expect to pay for a puppy, I have no idea really. I imagine it would vary. I paid £350 11 years ago. You need to be really dedicated to training and grooming before taking on an Afghan though. They must be allowed to stretch their legs but can be quite a challenge to train. Shout at them or get cross and that'll be it. They'll be a dot on the horizon before you know it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2007, 07:48: PM » |
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hahahahaha, thanx for that...sounds a bit like my king then, lol... i think afghans are so stunning to look at, and yes i can emangine that grooming would be hard work, esp after a walk in the rain!
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 12:33: AM » |
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Show spaniels [springers and cockers] are like two different breeds. The show ones will not win field trials. And those that win field trials will not win shows because looks wise they do not come up to breed standard.
Shipton kennels breed dogs for work or show. They have show looks but can work okay on shoots. However they do not have the working drive to enable them to win at field trials etc. They can be used successfully on shoots or as a rough shooters dog though. No doubt this can apply to other spaniels too. They can get by on shoots but will never be the 'cream' of brilliant workers.
Also to be remembered is the nurture debate. If a dog with potential to be a good hunter/retriever for instance is not allowed to practise this then its potential will not be realised.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 03:31: PM » |
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hi all, ive been reading about you all taking your fundogs too shoots and 'working' them , ive got a 7 month lab and would love to find out how you go about entering them into that sort of thing. this is my first dog so everythings still quite new to me. i love to thought of getting lottie into something she was born to do! any suggestions?
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2007, 04:35: PM » |
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Show spaniels [springers and cockers] are like two different breeds. The show ones will not win field trials. And those that win field trials will not win shows because looks wise they do
Strange state of affairs isn't it, when you consider ( if my understanding of the history of dog shows is correct) that the first dog shows were gundog shows with the intention of improving the various gundog breeds with regard to their ability to do their job. If showing had continued in that vein, would we now be saying that If it's no good for working, it's no good for showing : Hello by the way. First post Eddie
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