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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 08:55: PM » |
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This morning a friend and fellow collie owner was talking to her sister on the phone. Her sister told her of a friend that had an 8 week old Border Collie that they were at the end of their tether with already!!!! When my friend's sister asked where they got the pup from they said it was from a farm in Newbury. When asked if they met the Mum they replied that, no unfortunately they didn't because both the Mum and Dad of the puppies were in Wales, working.  I believe she then asked them if they were really that stoopid to believe that.  |
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 08:57: PM » |
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2007, 04:07: PM » |
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OMG  How silly can some people be This just makes me so mad The thing that gets me i thought that most would wont to see the puppies with the mum but by the sounds of it the people that have bought this pup dont know very much about dogs this is why we need to have a Dog License and do some sort of training before we can even buy a dog. |
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2007, 11:13: AM » |
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But then what do you class as a fighting dog breed i dont think you can single them out, most of the problems i have come across with dog owners is the family labrador. Dogs with hunting, guarding or herding instincts can be just as likely to upset or hurt as supposed fighting dogs, Labs and retrievers can reach a good weight and have some power, they may not have the bite radius to do the damage of a rottie but i do not see a difference. The test should be for all people including the ones that dont socialise their jacks or chis cos they are only little and what harm can they really do? If a person wants to own a dog they should take responsibility no matter what the breed and sit a test. Again some breeders and scum like people are going to get away with things and flaunt the law but what do you do? I would like to see more dog wardens even if it was as a special volunteer who recieved training and them be in local parks or patrolling the beach then if a dog is out of control points can go on a licence dependant on offence and owners recieve a warning or a fine at the end of the day unless it hits someons civil liberties or wallets things are not going to change. I think we should bring back the dog license and training for the owners I think this would be a good idea to stop silly owners as well as silly breeders and if we had dog licenses we wouldnt have half as much problms as we have now and it will stop the big I am`s with there fashion victim ect Staffie ,Rotties ,GSD.
Let me know how you feel about this?
i was just saying about this in the general dogchat. i think after recent events, it should be made law that you have to have a licence if you want to own a fighting dogbreed. and the potential owner should be thouroghley tested, if he/she is stable enough, to own such a dog. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2007, 03:21: PM » |
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I would like to see more dog wardens even if it was as a special volunteer who recieved training and them be in local parks or patrolling the beach then if a dog is out of control points can go on a licence dependant on offence and owners recieve a warning or a fine at the end of the day unless it hits someons civil liberties or wallets things are not going to change.
I agree with you on this. We need to do something about it as its just gonna get out of hand even more. |
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2007, 04:34: PM » |
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This morning a friend and fellow collie owner was talking to her sister on the phone. Her sister told her of a friend that had an 8 week old Border Collie that they were at the end of their tether with already!!!! When my friend's sister asked where they got the pup from they said it was from a farm in Newbury. When asked if they met the Mum they replied that, no unfortunately they didn't because both the Mum and Dad of the puppies were in Wales, working. I believe she then asked them if they were really that stoopid to believe that. This puppy, now aged 10 weeks, has today joined the ranks of the many homeless dogs in this country. They want rid because he is turning the garden into a mud bath and they have to leave him out there otherwise he pees indoors.  |
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2007, 05:04: PM » |
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That's deplorable, i dont know any dog owner at the moment who does not have a mud patch as a garden. Too many people buying pups on a whim for cuteness factor and not giving it the proper consideration for the hard work it is This morning a friend and fellow collie owner was talking to her sister on the phone. Her sister told her of a friend that had an 8 week old Border Collie that they were at the end of their tether with already!!!! When my friend's sister asked where they got the pup from they said it was from a farm in Newbury. When asked if they met the Mum they replied that, no unfortunately they didn't because both the Mum and Dad of the puppies were in Wales, working. I believe she then asked them if they were really that stoopid to believe that. This puppy, now aged 10 weeks, has today joined the ranks of the many homeless dogs in this country. They want rid because he is turning the garden into a mud bath and they have to leave him out there otherwise he pees indoors. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2007, 03:24: PM » |
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I agree with you TWS too many people are buying puppies for the cuteness factor and not thinking head to all the hard work that has to be put into the pups whole life.
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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2007, 03:56: PM » |
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OMG How silly can some people be This just makes me so mad The thing that gets me i thought that most would wont to see the puppies with the mum but by the sounds of it the people that have bought this pup dont know very much about dogs this is why we need to have a Dog License and do some sort of training before we can even buy a dog. CS - I completely agree with you. Unfortunatly it seems as though people (especially first time dog owners) do not know what to watch out for when buying a puppy. I think that until you've had a dog and joined the 'doggy world', these problems and issues are probably unheard of - this does not mean these people will not be brilliant dog owners, just they are a bit ignorant in the beginning. Personally I would never buy a puppy (I'd rather rehome a dog), but if i'd never had dogs before and decided to go out and buy one i'm not sure I would instinctivly know what to look out for. I would probably do research before hand but not everyone does this either. I agree that I good move might be to have some sort of flyer/poster telling you what to look out for when buying a puppy and maybe put them on buses - they need to be somewhere where people will take the time to read them. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2007, 12:01: PM » |
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Hi All,
1. I don't know what the legal position of this would be, or if it would even be workable, but perhaps it would be an idea to set up a website/forum so that people in the know can log onto it and add details of people/places/phone numbers of those who are known puppy farmers?
At least then there would be a central place where it may be a bit easier for novice dog owners to check whether the place they're thinking of going to get their new puppy is reputable (since so many people seem to be unaware of the signs of a bad breeder).
If this isn't possible or workable, what about setting up some sort of group/funding so that adverts could be placed in local newspapers/national nespapers/magazines/websites listing what to be on the look out for when buying a puppy? This way it's not naming individuals, but is at least making people aware of what they should be on the look out for when purchasing. As mentioned by someone before, I think lots of people, even caring and fairly knowledgeable people who are dog mad, have no idea of the issues of puppy farming until they really do some research - it's just not a well known enough issue.
3.Or, perhaps amongst the members on this forum, we could get an accurate idea of the specific locations of some puppy farms, and members in those areas be on the look out for adverts (and consider taking out their own 'antipuppy farm' advert anonymously along side them - I for one woudln't mind spending my own money to place an advert if was even to help one person be put off!), sticking notices up, making loud and regular noises to their local council).
As i said before, i don't know if these ideas are silly or not, as i'm not as much in the know as some of you are who work in the industry etc, but, you don't know unless you try!
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2007, 12:23: PM » |
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There is this website Carol http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hopeuk/ and many others too I'm sure. My Hovis's story is on there, (click on saved). add details of people/places/phone numbers of those who are known puppy farmers? Even it it was possible that would just give them free advertising. For every person who wouldn't want to buy from a puppy farm there would be another who'd be happy to. A very old friend of mine who have I haven't seen for years, but we met through dogs originally, bought a puppy from a puppy farm last year. I really berated her for it. Last week someone called wanting puppy training, recommended by my old friend, but, wait for it, has bought a puppy from the same puppy farm, also recommended by her. I despair!!!! |
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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2007, 12:50: PM » |
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Thanks for giving me details of the website...Hovis was lucky in the end to end up with you. I guess I was being naiive - you're right, it is free advertising for them I suppose.  .Just hate the thought of it, and when I feel bad about something, i always try to think of constructive ideas instead of just moaning about it, but i'm sure that many many people before me have thought of and tried lots of options...it's a horrible situation. I don't envy the situation you had with your friend either - impossible. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2007, 12:52: PM » |
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Trouble is people want what they want when they want it. They decide they want a dog and that they want it right now. They are not prepared to wait or do enough research, they buy with their eyes and are not prepared to pay good breeders prices or wait for a litter and book a pup. I have to say that I have three clients with pups from a particular puppy dealer in this area and I also have three clients who bought from reputable breeders, booked pups and waited for them to be born. Certainly in these particular cases you get what you pay for...not only do the breeders pups LOOK like a bit of quality but they are also in better "nick" more stable in temperament and have settled much more readily into their new homes. Have to say that it is the can't wait mentality of today that is contributing to this. Also, without exception, every pup owner I work with says to me that they didn't realise there was alot more to owning a dog than they had first thought. I wonder wether there could be some form of license that could be issued so that people were licensed to own only certain breeds...kinda breed specific tests.....but I don't think there is enough political kudos in this for a government...not a good vote winner and implementing it financially would be expensive. Yesterday I spoke to two friends, one who is longterm trustee of a GSD rescue and the other is co-ordinator of the Dobe rescue who Iam fostering this Dobe for. Both these people are close to despair with the list of dogs backed up waiting to come in IT HAS NEVER BEEN SO BAD. So many Dobies adn GSDs with nowhere to go and these are just regional rescues. A few years ago (not many) the two pups I have here in foster would have been snapped up quite quickly...now we can't even place these two problem free babies! How much wors is it going to get? I DREAD TO THINK  |
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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2007, 01:05: PM » |
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we have a couple of "farms" around here and none of the dogs look like they should. Westies look awful, labs have shocking temperments, and the supposedly sturdy breeds like collies are filling our local vets.
I help three rescues when I can, and they are sooo full, they can hardly move, and we are getting to the stage where we are having to refuse non urgent cases.
I get so angry when I flick through the free ads and there are idiots crossing breeds. Akita x gsd husky x akita collie x lab. Why? They may look cute, but the average person cannot control the breeds on their own, mix them and you have one hell of a problem. Then of course they are usually cheap, the seller doesnt ask questions, and they come vaccinated.
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2007, 01:16: PM » |
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It does feel quite desperate right now!
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