MadMax- Hi im not very clued up with this electric collar business....Are they illegel?...Because today for the first time ever i saw one on a dob.
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The owner was on her horse and the dob was running along beside her.
DenisIts nice to know you’ve seen one for the first time, as the owner was on a horse and the dog moving how do you know if it was an e-collar, a spray collar or beeper collar if you have never seen one before.
MadMax-
I understand its ment to be for there own saftey but hey ive never used them and my dogs have been fine.
DenisYes, I gathered you have not used one as your first post said you have only just seen one on a moving dog,
one, you can be fairly sure the woman on the horse has had dogs before and never used one before, there are quite a few of us who have adavanced to modern training with e-collars, but, obviously, not everybody has caught up/updated themselves with modern advanced training methods, yet.
I am little surprised with you, you seem to understand they are for dogs safety and yet somehow you seem against increased safety, are you aware 100.000 lost dogs were PTS last year? and yet you seem to think increased safety is undesirable.
MadMax-Nobody would think of puting it around a childs neck, would they....
DenisI hope not, children are forced sit in desks and learn maths for 6 hours a day, I hope they don’t make dogs do that either, it would not be safe expecting a dog to stand at a bus stop waiting to go and sit at a desk all day and be punished by being made to sit upright and work out mathematics, instead of running round the fields barefoot on a winters day, wishful thinking really, comparing kids to dogs, I have had and trained dogs a long long time and the dogs I find which have the lowest quality of life are those dogs whose owners see them as little human babies.
MadMax-Ohh it make me so Angry!
DenisWell, personally I have never been interested in kids but I have nothing against them. I suppose it would make me a little angry if I saw them being made to go naked and poop in the gutter or stick their heads in rabbit holes and made to dig rabbits out with their hands, let alone be told they are “good boys/girls” because they sat naked with their cold bums a cold pavement, I suppose I'de be angry if I saw naked kids tied up with a noose around their necks outside the paper shop and then made to carry the paper home, in their mouth, naked and on their hands and knees.
MadMax-
I do need to know some facts though to maybe put my mind to rest a bit.
DenisI don’t see any reason why you should want to put your mind at rest or even bother about finding out about them, the woman on the horse probably did not worry that you had a noose rope (collar and lead) with you to put round your dogs neck, why should the sight of something bother you? Especially when you don’t know what the item it is, if you do want to know then go and do a course on e-collars, if someone will accept you.
On the other hand if you do want to worry then go ahead and worry away, tell you what, it will bring piece of mind if you sign two petitions to ban them, one of them has been around for 6 years and only has only about 1400 sigs, thats in dire need of support, the other is new and finishes in July, so you can help the people who need sigs, links at bottom.
MadMax-How much zapping power do these things give out? Is it worked with a remote? Do they have settings?
Around a 4V battery – they work at the threshold of sensation which varies from dog to dog and depends on the drive level of the dog and sensory narrowing relevant to drive.
MadMax
And why if are they not banned (if not already)?
Denis
There have already been consultations on them by DEFRA during the formulation of the new animal welfare act, DEFRA know what they are, no government is going to stop progress and certainly on the grounds “I saw one, I don’t know what it was so ban it”, the electorate assumes any government works from an intellectual level, not a crank level, “
I saw a woman on horse with might have been an e-collar on her dog, ban them” , sort of very progressive thinking, "
It's electric lets ban it"
. ...you don't happen to be member of the Taliband do you?
Here you are, these will make you happy and these people really do need signatures,hundreds of thousands of them so your little bit will help them.
Minority groups seek help-lots of it.
http://www.petfriendlyworld.com/chat/index.php?topic=7038.0http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?collars&1..........I mean the duh thinking .................."it's electric so lets ban ourseleves from learning about it before we know what it is"...........
......geeze....what are they truning of schools these days.
