Oh dear Lou, I have rattled your cage
No, not at all. You asked why I called you a liar so I showed everyone why by showing exact statements that you'd made and pointing out why they were lies. It's something that I enjoy doing!
When people call some one a liar as often as you do, it is because they are trying to convince themselves that it is the other person who is lying and not themselves
ROFLMAO Emmy I showed that you're a liar by quoting your own words back. You keep calling me the liar but so far you have failed to show anything.
Earlier I wrote:
since you've told us that you've seen a dog abused with one I wonder what action you took? Did you call the police. Did you make a private persons arrest (Not even sure if they have that in the UK). Did you testify against that person
Who cares if you wonder what action I took or not, only myself and the person involved know what action I took
Yes, I know. That's why I asked. You implied that this person was using an Ecollar to abuse a dog, something that we all know is against the law. You said that you stopped her but in the same breath regretted that you couldn't do anything about "next time." The reality is that you COULD do something about next time by brining the abuse to the attention of the police when you witnessed it.
I simply asked if you did that or if you did anything at all.
and I certainly will not put it up on a public board.
Why not? You can omit the name of the person involved. But this evasion of my questions leads us to believe that you did nothing of the sort.
You are assuming that I didn't take any action, once again putting things that are not there.
I'm not assuming anything Emmy. I asked some questions that you've now acknowledged you read but have refused to answer. I'd guess that's because you did nothing of the kind. Feel free to prove me wrong. I hope you will. I hope you did follow through.
Earlier I wrote:
So it sounds as if you didn't follow through. Is there some reason for this?
Why do you want to know?
Given your proven history of lying to make a point, I think you might be doing it again.
It has nothing to do with you and for all you know, I can't say because it can jepodise the case. You really are a silly man at times, as an ex police man you should know that putting things up on an open forum can jepodise the case.
I see. Now you're hinting that you DID take some legal action. Simply answering "Yes, I took action and notified the police" or "No, I didn't" won't jeopardize anything.
Thats right, there are other ways of abusing a dog as well as an e collar and I suspect that other things were happening to this dog. When/if the dog was taken off her, then the abuse stops and not before even though she has been told about it. All you know is what I have writted but once again you have put things in that are not there.
What have I "put in that are not there?"
you don't know what happened or what I did
Yes, I know. That's why I asked. Instead of a straight answer we're getting a run-around.
I'm not attacking anything Emmy. I merely compared BSL, which you oppose so strongly that you have it in your signature line, to the banning of Ecollars. They're very similar. Some people want to ban a breed of dog because of the bad actions of a few. And some people want to ban (or restrict) Ecollars because of the bad actions of a few. They're nearly identical!
Where have I said I wanted e collars banned? Controlled yes.
The analogy still works.
Earlier I wrote:
You're not making much sense here Emmy. What does the fact that I have "friends in high places" (your words, not mine) have to do with the fact that BSL and the desire to ban or restrict Ecollars are analogous?
Another quote taken out of context and a change of subject.
Nothing taken out of context Emmy. The analogy still stands.
Earlier I wrote:
It sounded more like an invitation than a challenge. And the thought of it made me a little sick to my stomach.
That is your evil imagination dear, I didn't say were it was going to be put
It makes no difference Emmy. The thought of putting them anywhere on your body sickens me. YUCK.
Earlier I wrote:
Now she quotes it back to me as if I had gotten it wrong when I originally quote her and responded to that statement. She says that I "twisted" her "words" but as anyone can see, I quoted them perfectly.
No dear you didn't quote them perfectly you twisted them
Another typical lie from you Emmy. If you think I twisted your words quote "my twists" back. Failing that, AGAIN you're a liar.
Earlier I wrote:
Actually there are at least two uses for a TENS. One is to distract someone so that pain they're feeling is minimized. It's used for this on chronic pain patients and some women have it used when they're delivering babies. But there's another that Emmy doesn't seem to know about, based on her statement. It's used to stimulate circulation and muscle growth in injured tissues. As used in the first case the levels are usually fairly high. Used in the second case the level is adjusted so that it's "just below" where it's painful.
Now were did I say I didn't know it had 2 uses
You said:
Although a TENs machine is supposed to take the pain away . . .
You made no reference to the "other" use. You omitted it from your description of what TENS are for. And I didn't say that you "didn't know it had 2 uses" I clearly wrote that you "(don't) seem to know about based on (your) statement."
This does happen but as you can only go by what you are told, you don't even know what it feels like.
I guess you missed the part where I said I'd had TENS used on me many hundreds of times.
I do remember when people call me a liar, and for someone who says that he never starts the name calling, I think you must have some loss of memory somewhere.
Feel free to post the first time that I started name calling. I know that you're wrong in saying that I started it. Bring the post here and then I'll go back from it and show that others started it.
It was noted some time ago that you were doing this dear, in fact, you have done this so many times, I lost count some time ago.
More lies. Show us the post. You won't because you know it's a lie.
is this the best you can do dear
It's sufficient.
No dear, that is your mind assuming were I was going to put the TENs machine, but as it goes on over your clothes
You used a TENS
"over your clothes!" I guess things are different in the UK. My PTst says that there's too much impedance (interference) from the clothing, that the adhesive pads need to be applied directly to the skin. Are you sure that you're talking about a TENS? Perhaps this is the problem. Perhaps a look at this site will fill you in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_Electrical_Nerve_StimulatorHere is some of the info that's there.
A Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator, more commonly referred to as a TENS unit and pronounced tens, is an electronic device that produces electrical signals used to stimulate nerves through unbroken skin . . . The unit is usually connected to the skin
A suitable cream should be used to increase conductivity from the electrode to the skin. The position of the electrodes on the skin determine which nerve(s) is (are) stimulated.
(Emphasis added.)
This site offers TENS accessories (electrodes) for sale. Not one of them is intended to be used "over your clothes."
http://www.bodyclock.net/acatalog/tenselectrodes.htmlBut perhaps you mean something else by your "over the clothes" statement. Please let us know.
I've said this before and you didn't correct me. How long did you let the dog run to burn off energy before you started the training?
As I have already put this up several times on this board, you can go and find out for yourself, it is what you say to me, so you can't object to me saying it to you. You should only need to be corrected once not over and over again.
Don't really care. We've already established that any method that requires you to let a dog "calm down" is faulty. I'd second the recommendation for you to read "Training in Drive."
Earlier I wrote:
Can you remind me how many dogs you've trained? What they've been trained for? What OB titles (or any other kind of title) you've achieved?
I already know what dogs I have trained and what I have achieved
I'd hope that you would.
I don't need to see it up on here again
No you don't.
if you want to know, do a search
Not that important. I'll just figure that you haven't done anything noteworthy. Otherwise you'd be proud to tell us of your achievements again.
No problem, we all make those at times. But let me refer you to the challenge that you've "conveniently forgotten. It's now valued at $2,000.
Let me refer you to the challenge you have conveniently forgotten
My "Challenge" is clearly a challenge. Yours was clearly an invitation. Now you want to modify it. That's fine but what's the point of putting a TENS on you? To prove that it hurts you at the lowest level? I have no doubt that you'd scream before it was even turned on, so what would that prove. But even if you didn't, if you want us to believe that it hurts you at the lowest levels, that's fine. So much for
your challenge.
OTOH
my challenge will prove to all that your dog DOESN'T have a 99% recall as you've claimed. I understand why you don't want to accept it. And so do the rest of the members.
Money means nothing to me and never has or never will be an incentive to do something.
Of course not Emmy we understand. ROFLMAO.
There are far more important things than money. No I am not rich in money, I am rich in the love of my family and friends
Imagine how much good you could do at the shelters and rescues with (I'll now raise the challenge to) $3,000.
