Quote from: Emmy on February 07, 2007, 06:03: PM
Is that why you called me a liar Lou?
Emmy I called you a liar because you lied. It wasn't just that you were mistaken; you lied. A couple of times when you got caught, instead of merely saying that you had been wrong, you tried to support your lie. I only called you a liar after you had told a couple of lies and then refused to admit it. Again, a counter-attack rather than an attack, as were your comments.
You've said that I don't answer every question that's put to me. Yet when I asked you to show me one that I hadn't answered, you failed to do so.
You said that I, ". . . put (Ecollars) on a dog right away to train them so don't wait to see if other methods don't work." Yet when I asked for you to quote me on that, the request went unanswered. That's because I've never said anything of the kind. It's a lie.
You said, " . . . , according to what you have said, you know everything about this country." Another lie and another request for you to quote me that went unanswered.
You wrote, "the most consistant part of our posts is the way they are so inconsistant, you put in things to suit what you want then deny them later." Another lie and another request for a quote that you didn't respond to.
When Jason asked about how I train you wrote, "Lou doesn't consider any other training" (than the Ecollar). That's a lie, as I've pointed out before.
You'll want to tell us again how "It is only a lie if I didn't know any difference" But that statement is itself a lie. It's the kind of lie that a child will use to try and stay out of trouble. Bit it wouldn't save a child and it won't save you. A question was asked of me and in your zeal and haste to show me up you decided to answer for both Denis and I, pretending that you had some idea of what we do. You were proven wrong repeatedly.
You made statements about both Denis and I and now you're saying that you didn't know they weren't the truth. You want to skirt around the edge of the truth but I'm not going to let that happen.
Quote from: Emmy on February 07, 2007, 02:28: PM
You even wrote the word down and didn't leave it to the reader's imagination.
That's because it's a pattern with you.
Quote from: Emmy on February 07, 2007, 02:28: PM
As far as I am concerned, you have done your best to insult, demean, commit a personal attack on me by calling me a liar.
Since it's the truth, I'm merely pointing out a fact.
Oh dear Lou, I have rattled your cage,
at dawn. When people call some one a liar as often as you do, it is because they are trying to convince themselves that it is the other person who is lying and not themselves. Doesn't do any good to lie to yourself Lou.
Quote from: Emmy on February 07, 2007, 06:18: PM
Take notice, I said CONTROLLED and not banned, there is a big difference there and when the full post is up, it looks different to the way you have cut it.
The difference is slight.
No dear, there is a big difference,
Control: - restraining or regulating
Banned - To forbid officially
See, there is quite a difference
since you've told us that you've seen a dog abused with one I wonder what action you took? Did you call the police. Did you make a private persons arrest (Not even sure if they have that in the UK). Did you testify against that person
Who cares if you wonder what action I took or not, only myself and the person involved know what action I took and I certainly will not put it up on a public board. You are assuming that I didn't take any action, once again putting things that are not there.
So it sounds as if you didn't follow through. Is there some reason for this?
Why do you want to know? It has nothing to do with you and for all you know, I can't say because it can jepodise the case. You really are a silly man at times, as an ex police man you should know that putting things up on an open forum can jepodise the case.
Emmy you wrote then (and you even copied it back in this post saving me the trouble of going to find it) that what you did, "Stop(ping) her right away" would not "help the dog when (you) weren't there." (Emphasis added.)
Thats right, there are other ways of abusing a dog as well as an e collar and I suspect that other things were happening to this dog. When/if the dog was taken off her, then the abuse stops and not before even though she has been told about it. All you know is what I have writted but once again you have put things in that are not there.
If you had taken action it would be reasonable to think that the person would have been jailed or at least have her Ecollar seized by the police as evidence, thereby saving the dog from further pain.
All you know is what I have told you, you don't know what happened or what I did, once again you are adding 2 + 2 to make 5 I think you had better learn how to count Lou.
I’m not attacking anything Emmy. I merely compared BSL, which you oppose so strongly that you have it in your signature line, to the banning of Ecollars. They're very similar. Some people want to ban a breed of dog because of the bad actions of a few. And some people want to ban (or restrict) Ecollars because of the bad actions of a few. They're nearly identical!
Where have I said I wanted e collars banned? Controlled yes. Scraping the barrel again dear.
You're not making much sense here Emmy. What does the fact that I have "friends in high places" (your words, not mine) have to do with the fact that BSL and the desire to ban or restrict Ecollars are analogous?
Another quote taken out of context and a change of subject. That hole you are digging for yourself is getting rather deap Lou, please make sure the sides don't colapse or it will be
It sounded more like an invitation than a challenge. And the thought of it made me a little sick to my stomach.
That is your evil imagination dear, I didn't say were it was going to be put, please be careful with that hole you are digging.
Now she quotes it back to me as if I had gotten it wrong when I originally quote her and responded to that statement. She says that I "twisted" her "words" but as anyone can see, I quoted them perfectly.
No dear you didn't quote them perfectly you twisted them and you twist everything that doesn't agree with you. I speak from experience, you speak from what you have been told.
Actually there are at least two uses for a TENS. One is to distract someone so that pain they're feeling is minimized. It's used for this on chronic pain patients and some women have it used when they're delivering babies. But there's another that Emmy doesn’t seem to know about, based on her statement. It's used to stimulate circulation and muscle growth in injured tissues. As used in the first case the levels are usually fairly high. Used in the second case the level is adjusted so that it's "just below" where it's painful.
Now were did I say I didn't know it had 2 uses, dear dear, you are getting your knickers in a twist Lou. The level to treat chronic pain has to be at a level the patient can cope with, in my case, the lowest level I couldn't cope with because it made my pain worse and didn't minimize it. This does happen but as you can only go by what you are told, you don't even know what it feels like.
Well at least I'm consistent, contrary to what you keep saying. In any case, I can hardly remember what I said two years ago, much less something you said. LOL.
I do remember when people call me a liar, and for someone who says that he never starts the name calling, I think you must have some loss of memory somewhere.
Of course it doesn't . Liars don't care that they've been caught. They just make up some new lie and continue on as if nothing has happened. It's part of the pathology.
It was noted some time ago that you were doing this dear, in fact, you have done this so many times, I lost count some time ago.
Nah, more like a bad dream that keeps coming back over and over and over and . . . .
Sticks and stones and all that,
You're the liar putting out the rubbish.
yes, they do understand that you're a liar.
More sticks and stones Lou, is this the best you can do dear
And yet you keep responding. ROFL.
Of course, I am having fun taking the Michael out of you and you keep coming back for more.
Only if the methods work. BTW I notice that you keep telling us how reliable your dog is yet you haven't accept the offer of $1,000 to prove it. I wonder why that is? Don't worry, we all know why you keep ignoring my challenge. ROFL.
You won't accept my challenge but expect me to accept yours.
What an intelligent conversation this has become. NO. YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT BY A MILE. YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU INFINITY. This is like talking with a six year old.
Ah!! Now things are making sense, you are only six years old, silly me, I thought you were an adult.
Your was an invitation, rather than a challenge and a pretty slutty one at that. I'll pass. All sexual innuendoes aside.
No dear, that is your mind assuming were I was going to put the TENs machine, but as it goes on over your clothes, there is nothing slutty or sexual in it. Quite a slutty mind for a 6 year old, in fact, quite a slutty mind for a 66 year old as well.
I've said this before and you didn't correct me. How long did you let the dog run to burn off energy before you started the training?
As I have already put this up several times on this board, you can go and find out for yourself, it is what you say to me, so you can't object to me saying it to you. You should only need to be corrected once not over and over again.
I do. And that's enough for me. Emmy, a quick couple of questions. Can you remind me how many dogs you've trained? What they've been trained for? What OB titles (or any other kind of title) you've achieved?
I already know what dogs I have trained and what I have achieved, I don't need to see it up on here again, if you want to know, do a search
No problem, we all make those at times. But let me refer you to the challenge that you've "conveniently forgotten. It's now valued at $2,000.
Let me refer you to the challenge you have conveniently forgotten, my challenge to you but you tried to turn it into something slutty and sexual to get out of it. Money means nothing to me and never has or never will be an incentive to do something. There are far more important things than money. I help people and horses for free because they need the help and many are at the end of their tether before they find me. No I am not rich in money, I am rich in the love of my family and friends
