My...................... hasn't this thread gone to the dogs...excuse the pun!!!!!

Schmoo,

Thanks for replying to my questions - I guess with you being in the US, you have more everyday exposure than most people here in the UK. Would you say that most people that you see using them are happy with the results and are not trying to abuse their dogs?

I believe I know of the e-collar training outfit you are talking about (SMS?). They certainly work very hard on promoting themselves in the US and put up a lot of videos of their work (some of it is looks very impressive and some of it looks rather dubious), but a video can always be edited.. I think with the expansion they are doing and the way they operate franchises, they will struggle to achieve a uniform quality of training - looks too much like a big business to me!

Anyone else with first hand experiences?

Yeah, me.  I spent three long days with the founder of that school of training and have attended one of his seminars.  We've had many on-line discussions.  He knows little about a dog's drives or why they do what they do.  There's evidence to support a belief that he doesn't even like dogs, that they're just a source of income for him.  He's relatively new to the dog training scene. 

To learn to train dogs he went to gun dog trainers who use Ecollars and he learned how to force behavior.  He's very good at that, but causes much stress.  He offers a school to wanna-be trainers to learn to use the Ecollar.  One doesn't have to have any experience in dog training at all!  It's only three weeks long and includes marketing.  At graduation one is "certified" as a "Remote Collar Specialist." Someone with absolutely no dog training experience will "learn to train dogs with an Ecollar" in just three weeks! 

The general difference between us is that I use Estim at the level where the dog first feels it.  He uses it at the level just below where the dog screams in pain.  After spending some time with him I offered to teach him about the drives that make dogs do things that they do.  His response was and is classic!  He said, "I only need to know about one drive.  The 'do it when I say do it' drive." 

I did not realise that, although I know he is not exactly 'popular', videos are or can be deceptive but I thought he was just squeezing far to much into training sessions from some of his videos - I can't say really I would have to watch in person but the videos and feedback from others seemed to indicate that.

Emmy keeps putting up this lie and never backs it up with evidence.  If what she was saying was true, it would be easy to find.  LOL

Earlier I wrote:



Why some anonymous person would not accept my challenge is "confidential?"  I can't imagine why; especially since no one would have any idea who gave you the info. 


Sure I did, that's why I asked. 


Nope, not at all.  I wanted to hear their excuses just as Schmoo did.  Was she trying to "cause trouble" too?  LOL. 

Just a guess.  Since the Schmoo, created by the cartoonist Al Capp, was asexual, I guess I could have said "it" but somehow that didn't feel right.  There's no info in your profile, I checked.  I don't recall you ever signing a post with a name that could be identified as male or female.