Pinch Collar.

[Lou Castle]

Originally Posted by Denisemcleod

There is a massive difference between the learned helplessess and all of its derivatives of expected and known negative outcomes and the learned excitment of good and enjoyable known or anticipatied outcomes.

I love the way you folks throw the term "learned helplessness" around as if it was something that was occurring regularly outside of a laboratory. It's VERY rare out side of that environment.

Originally Posted by Denisemcleod

it is the differnece between knowing you are about to go on holiday and knowng you are about to go to jail. Both create "stresses" of sorts. One though is about lookimg forward and the other is about wishing thee is "no forward"and doing all you can to avoid it. Well thats what I think.

Neither results in "learned helplessness."

Originally Posted by Denisemcleod

And that from what I observe is what my dogs think.

And yet one theme that runs through this discussion is that most of you say that we can't tell what a dog either thinks or feels.